John Lee wrote:
Geoff Burling wrote:
He had this utopian belief corrected after a
couple of years when the
Wiki
was rocked by a severe flamewar over a "trivial matter" that had gone as
far as the opposing sides each creating bots to revert the edits of the
other side. (For the record, the controversy was over whether to keep or
delete a node that was a parody of the movie "Fight Club", called
"BoogerClub".) As he spent time not only to get to the bottom of the
matter, but also to bring himself up to date with the Wiki & the
community,
he discovered that the struggle to keep the Wiki usable & in order had
burned out his assistants in their long, hard & unappreciated efforts.
A lot of the most bitter fights are over trivial matters
Ward said he
was able to help his assistants by adding a simple bit of
code which prevented bots from functioning on his Wiki -- which stopped
the spamming immediately & brought a cease-fire to the major flamewar,
but the damage had been done. People left, & WikiWiki "plateaued" in
growth, losing something of its original excitement & attraction.
"Self-regulating" would be a true anarchist model whereby everyone can
do anything, I think. Certainly something based on consensus.
Consensus doesn't scale. I think the moral about burned-out old
editors is a good one, though. We need to carefully avoid placing
people on a pedestal because of their past accomplishments. If you're
wrong, you're wrong. I think the solution is to expand the number of
"super-trustable" users who will have real authority around Wikipedia.
Right now only the arbcom has any authority, because authority is
derived only from Jimbo and/or the Board.
Yes, but we really have paradoxical situations. While most of us would
probably like to see a more democratic system it depends on all
individuals having enough vision to look beyond their personal
concerns. Appointing trusted people may in some cases be the only
solution, and if you trust them when they are appointed you also need to
trust them in the exercise of their duties. In those circumstances if
Jimbo goes ahead and exercises his powers without consulting his
appointee he undermines that person's authority. Quite often an
understanding on the problem between Jimbo and the person would be
within easy reach. When substantive agreement is there the appointee
should be the one to put it into effect.
A project leader needs to have a broad overview. He also needs a track
record of at least trying to build consensus. He needs to build up a
stock of good will that will often need to be used when there is need to
act decisively. He will often need to confront people, and some of them
will try to complain directly to Jimbo..Unless the appointee develops a
track record of consistently abusing his powers, Jimbo will need to
stand behind him.
My proposal: Give the 'crats authority. Right now
both 'crats and
admins are theoretically equal to normal editors, only with a few more
tools. I think this is the right attitude to take towards admins,
because adminship should be no big deal. But bureaucratship is far
from "no big deal", and I think this should be reflected in that
bureaucrats should have some higher standing in the community. They
should be able to step in and desysop in cases like wheel wars. They
should be able to say, "Ok, that's it, let's cut the crap" -- much
like the arbcom or Jimbo would/should. (This raises the problem of
'crat wheel warring, but presumably because of the huge big dealness
of this, we'll only have a limited number of 'crats at any one time,
anyhow.)
Even where there are multiple bureaucrats, one would probably still need
to be recognized as the chief bureaucrat to avoid that situation.
Ec