The first half of your post answered my questions. I
if I agree yet :), but it does make sense.
On 5/2/06, Steve Block <steve.block(a)myrealbox.com> wrote:
But as I
pointed out when the comment was first made, it's not clear
whether or not the four-way stop on that intersection is verifiable
without resorting to original research. It might be, and it might not
be. It would, of course, be the job of the person adding the
information to show that it is.
But what, in this instance, is original research?
Is sourcing from
public archives original research? Is reading a book original research?
Is looking at a map original research?
The way I see original research is basically any text which can't be
derived trivially from a published source. That's my understanding,
without looking at any Wikipedia pages.
Now I suppose "derived trivially" is subject to some dispute there. I
like the way Steve Bennett explained this, though I think we have to
allow interpretation (including context) to the extent that no one
would reasonably dispute the interpretation.
And that's another factor that has to be kept in mind. NOR is, more
than anything, a fallback for when there is a disagreement. If no one
(who isn't banned, anyway) has a problem with the text as its written,
then NOR can safely be ignored. NOR comes into place when someone,
(anyone acting in good faith), reads a statement in a Wikipedia
article, then reads the source or sources, and isn't *convinced* that
the statement is true.
To answer your questions... The main source of original research in
the four-way-stop case would be direct observation.
See I agree, but I take that to mean that looking at a website is also
from public archives wouldn't be original research as far as I'm
However, there is a line of argument that me going to the public records
office to look up someone's date of birth is original research, since I
can't verify that the certificate I get is for the person I claim it to
be for. SO sourcing from public archives is a contentious area.
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