On 7/19/07, Ray Saintonge
WikipediaEditor Durin wrote:
On 7/18/07, quiddity <blanketfort(a)gmail.com>
>(I don't know the background or details of this issue, but...)
> >>this is making my brain hurt.
> >That's a pretty easy call really.
> >Fair use should be limited as much as possible in order to maintain
> >the encyclopedic integrity while staying focused on our mission.
> >The Einstein article already has substantial images of the man.
> >The image can only be fair use within our criteria if the image is
> >major significance to the article.
Currently, the article just
> >to Einstein's ability to stick out
his tongue. That's hardly
> >There's claims the image is iconic (I grant it is) and culturally
> >relevant (I grant it might be). Ok, so write about that...then the
> >image becomes of use. Without that, the image is worthless to
> >the article and is purely decorative.
> "Fair use" seems to be the cry for anyone who can't be bothered to
> more deeply into a situation. This is a
1951 photograph! Where was
> first published? Who owns the copyright?
Was it properly renewed?
> .Given that some have attached the "iconic" description, has anyone
> a connection to the article ever filed a
copyright action about the
> picture? In the absence of such a legal actions perhaps the
> has been effectively abandoned. The answers
to these questions may
> well lead to a determination that the image
is already in the public
> domain. If that's the case fair use is not relevant.
> With older photographs especially it would be nice if people did a
> little homework before diverting the debate into a fair use
> It would be a far greater benefit to the
encyclopedia if works
by virtue of uncertainty were established as free.
1. In copyright issues, we should err on the side that keeps us safest
2. I see no copyright problem here - the iconic nature of the image
a free pass, generally, in fair use, as many
publications have used
picture with less context than we provide;
3. Because we are a free encyclopaedia we hold ourselves to a higher
standard than other publications and demand that non-free content's
justified in some way by significantly improving
4. By having nothing more than a relevant caption, it is difficult to
that having this non-free picture significantly
5. This is a perfect illustration of why we should stop quibbling
it fair use under American law?" and start
asking "is this non-free
> necessary for the encyclopaedia?"
1.the safest course is not to have free use images at all, and the
decision was already made not to do that.
3. There is no reason why a free encyclopedia should be less free than
other publications--the highest standard is to respect & honor the law
by using the rights it provides. Fair use is not a favor, but a right.
To the extent we are noncommercial & educational we have greater fair
use rights than many other entities.
4. This is iconic as illustrating Einstein's general irreverent
attitude and so a caption could be immediately written to say that
5. this is a perfect example of how we can find the best use of