On 27 Aug 2004, at 10:40 pm, Ray Saintonge wrote:
Western Civilization to me really relates to
Western Europe plus key
members of its former colonial empires. It does promote certain
ideals, but that does not mean that it has been uniformly successful
in implementing those ideals. This distinction is difficult for the
person who has not yet grasped the concept of irony.
Actually this distinction was part of my argument. You seem to miss
the point that the evidence (the millions who have died and suffered)
suggests these ideals to be not much more than propaganda in a system
that has historically implemented the opposite of such ideals.
This argument is based on a distorted time scale. I would give those
who developed the ideals the benefit of the doubt. You are committing
the logical fallacy of "post hoc ergo propter hoc". Those millions did
not die and suffer because of the ideals, but because of the actions of
people who purported to support them. Engaging in a propaganda campaign
that claims to be founded on those ideals does not imply that our
propagandists believe and practise them.