In a message dated 4/23/2009 1:34:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com writes:
Sorry, you hold what qualification in medieval history to make this
comment? What do you think the so-called "feudal system" was about if
not the holding of land, which made up most of the economy of Europe
from say 600 to at least 1600? >>
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Not the point.
This article is not about the feudal system, not about an example of a
person with a hundred plots of land. It's about one person, their life. Not
their land holdings.
By the way. I didn't "target a constructive editor". I did not look, and
don't make it a habit to look at *who* edited an article. It's a waste of
time. The article is the thing, not the people behind it.
This article is poor. Whether it's a good example of the feudal system or
not (and it's not) isn't relevant to whether it's a good example of a
stubby biography (which it's not).
Will
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I would say the place for a discussion of each piece of land he owned,
would be in individual articles detailing how a piece of land passed, hand to
hand, family to family, over the medieval period perhaps.
That alone would cover several pages, with copious footnotes, for *each*
property.
That is, provided we could actually do that with the surviving records.
Will
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In a message dated 4/23/2009 5:59:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk writes:
> On a related note, an interesting issue I came across the other day is
> where my limited primary research - a detail found when I was trying
> to confirm something else - appears to *explicitly* contradict the
> secondary sources. What d'you do there?
>
> a) Leave it alone, and put a note on the talkpage?
> b) Quote the standard interpretation of things, add a footnote about
> the odd result?
> c) Decide the secondary sources are wrong, quote the primary source?>>
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Andrew I agree with you, I like B) myself as well.
Will Johnson
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The Domesday holdings are not significant to his biography.
We are not trying to build a land holdings database, we are writing
biographies.
I was not targeting any particular editor. I was targeting the article.
Will
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In a message dated 4/23/2009 1:42:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
dgerard(a)gmail.com writes:
* NPOV (I don't think so, lots have tried this)
* Notability (possibly - our breadth is our key asset, and overapplied
"notability" rules trash this)
* NOR (maybe - note that not every Wikipedia has this rule)
* Expert privilege (Citizendium is trying this, we'll see how it goes)>>
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Money.. and author credit.
Knol is trying that.
Will
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In a message dated 4/22/2009 5:27:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
andrewrturvey(a)googlemail.com writes:
What do we do about well-sourced information which turns out to be
incorrect? I don't think policies cover this area particularly well, but the
commonsense view is to word it something along the lines of:
"A national newspaper in 2007 reported that celebrity x had been arrested
for taking drugs<ref> </ref>; however this was later shown to be untrue
<ref> </ref>"
If it's not that important you can always include the details in a
footnote:
"Joe Blow (b. 15.1.74) <ref>Note the New York Times stated he was born on
January 14 - (ref). However, this source shows the actual date to be 14 Jan
</ref>
The added advantage is it means editors don't add the incorrect
information in again at a later date. >>
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I agree completely with the above.
Will Johnson
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In order for "OTRS confirmation" to be an acceptable subsitute, I would
submit that we need some details on exactly what this means, what they do, how
they do it.
I'm not comfortable with creating even *more* black boxes than what we
already have.
It's much better, imho, for the community to know how this works. Rather
than simply differ to an authority figure.
Will
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In a message dated 4/23/2009 3:54:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
carcharothwp(a)googlemail.com writes:
I go to the reference desk... :-)
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The what? Never heard of it.
Google is my only companion :)
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In a message dated 4/23/2009 3:27:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
carcharothwp(a)googlemail.com writes:
So how do you minimise the risk of errors in source-based research?>>
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That, is why we want experts in the project. Experts can correctly
interpret primary sources.
In this case, as you see, I said there were four Edward's who could be
him. It was Sam not I who stated that it must be the one listed as Oldham. I
have no idea of English geography. I couldn't tell you if Lancashire is
near Hampshire or on the opposite side of the island.
The census didn't lead me to the ship's list. The Wikipedia article did.
It states that he was elected in 1931. So I just looked for an Edward
Doran hoping that he would say something obvious and he did. He said he was a
Member of Parliament.
This turned out to be an easy case. They are not so easy. That's why you
would hire someone like me to do the work for you ;) (plug plug plug)
Will
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