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Checking the Village Pump today I discovered
This is an ingenious new way of getting rid of newcomers while officially
welcoming them to contribute. A newcomer who wants to create a new article
would be sent through a 7+ page procedure with no less than 21 buttons, a
number of dead ends and trap doors and about 2500 words of instructions for
a typical path from start to end.
Isn't it time to be honest with ourselves and nominate "Wikipedia is not a
bureaucracy" for deletion?
This email describes my impression. See for yourself:
I'm hoping that we won't have too many "trick" articles in this
process, or articles that should be deleted but not by CSD (the
criteria are "write an article that doesn't meet the deletion
So far we've had a range from Battleships and miniaturists to Monarchs
and a winger. I think we've tested the charge that a new article
submitted to Wikipedia will be tagged for deletion in two minutes and
is guaranteed not to last seven days. But it would be a Pyrrhic
victory to respond to the press that It is still possible for a good
article to be added to Wikipedia by a newbie, as we'd have to concede
that enough get deleted by over-enthusiasm at CSD to constitute a
problem - the press exaggerated the problem, but they didn't entirely
invent it. We've also established that neither welcoming nor
wikification are currently keeping up with the flow of newbies and
My own contribution has in the first sentence "was king of ****** from
***** to ***". It has yet to be marked as patrolled and I anticipate
it reaching those who patrol the back of the unpatrolled newpages at
some point this week.
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:52:18 -0400
> From: David Goodman <dgoodmanny(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the
> create an article as a newbie challenge
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> It's not hard to do. Mention the unspectacular factor that claims
> notability in an obscure position in the middle without any details,
> add some foolish spam about how good they are & how they will change
> the world, include an email address to contact for more information,
> and omit references. For models, check CSD.
> David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:17 AM, Steve Bennett <stevagewp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM, WereSpielChequers
>> <werespielchequers(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> The idea is to test the speedy deletion process with articles that
>>> shouldn't be speedy deleted.
>>> Links to several of the articles in the process and their fates have
>>> been posted to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/Newbie_treatment
>> Hey, that's really cool. I've made my own lame newbie attempt to join
>> the experiment. It's hard to write a convincing newbie stub article
>> that you think deserves to exist, but could be dissed by a patroller
>> acting in a hurry.
It seems to me that he pigeonholed your references as external links instead. I guess he isn't familiar with the fact that new editors often don't label their citations to our style/standard.
From: Steve Bennett
To: English Wikipedia
ReplyTo: English Wikipedia
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the createan article as a newbie challenge
Sent: Nov 1, 2009 11:52
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:21 AM, WereSpielChequers
> I'm hoping that we won't have too many "trick" articles in this
> process, or articles that should be deleted but not by CSD (the
> criteria are "write an article that doesn't meet the deletion
Hmm, as for my own experimental article (which I loaded with a few
newbie errors, but nothing too over the top), all that has happened
was an established user came along and deleted two of the sources, and
renamed a (deliberately misnamed) section heading.
I can't really fathom his thinking. Sure, they weren't high quality
sources, but they were the sources of the information nonetheless...
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