In a message dated 5/2/2008 1:25:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
cohesion(a)sleepyhead.org writes:
I think everything should be indexed by default, and we can address
problems as they appear (with {{NOINDEX}}) rather than hiding valuable
information from the web. Obviously when something is sure to cause
problems a template could be used preemptively. Better to make small
organic changes than giant sweeping ones in my opinion.>>
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Yes, that sounds perfect in my mind. Those entries that are problematic
should be addressed specifically. Good idea.
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"Chris Howie" wrote
> I think the closest we're going to get to a good technical solution
> would be to have some magic words __INDEX__ and __NOINDEX__ that will
> force indexing on or off for a document. The default could be set
> per-namespace, and I'm assuming we'd want articlespace to be the only
> one indexed by default.
This begins to start to sound like the right lines ...
In detail:
We surely would want all major policy and guideline documents indexed. But that could be done by opting "in" for those, leaving the bulk of the Wikipedia: namespace "out". The redlinks pages, such as "missing encyclopedia articles", should be opted "in".
I think we'd want the Category: namespace in by default - why not?
This then leaves a discussion about the User: namespace. Unnatural not to index user pages? Or leave it that the default is non-indexed, and you have to take the positive step to put your userpage or essay out there.
I believe this is a sane debate, at least.
Charles
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"Daniel R. Tobias" wrote
>
> On 28 Apr 2008 at 12:59:46 -0400, "David Goodman"
> <dgoodmanny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > First and hopefully uncontroversial step: make user and user talk
> > space non searchable via google etc. That will at any rate diminish
> > the tendency to use Wikipedia as a personal web site.
>
> But my userspace essay "Why BADSITES is bad policy" is #1 in Google
> when searching for "badsites"!
Not for that reason - but David's suggestion is a Very Bad Idea. Tools for site development (eg redlink lists) naturally reside in userspace, and we should care about editors finding them.
Charles
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So to advance the cause, I propose some sort of Robot that would collect and
collate apparent "bad word usage" into one area, or by a category flag, so
those articles could be more easily found and fixed. Of course then we'd need
a "bad word list" page or something like that for it to use.
I have no idea myself how to code a robot, but that's my proposal.
So now we can at least discuss something.
Let's not get sidetracked into the "this isn't what we should discuss" vein.
If you want to start a new thread, go ahead.
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In a message dated 4/29/2008 10:42:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jwales(a)wikia.com writes:
This sort of harm is a direct result of Wikipedia policies and
procedures, and is most likely *significantly* avoidable without
significantly compromising on neutrality, quality, openness, and our
other values.>>
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This seems like an overemphasis that somehow we (the policy-abiding editors)
are the cause instead of the vandals being the cause. The primary cause of
the vandalism rests with the vandals. Our policies address this case
spot-on, but nobody fixed the article. Why didn't they? Maybe we need more
editors. Maybe we need an automatic "bad-word robot" to collect examples and create
a "bad word page". That would make it a lot easier to monitor. But this
case is not a result of our policies, our policies say "don't do this".
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