cprompt wrote:
>
> Evercat wrote:
>
> >No, that's not what I mean. If you go to your preferences, you'll see
> >a field called "threshold for stub display". Enter a value into it.
> >All links to articles (not counting redirects) that have less than
> >that many characters will be rendered in a different colour. This is
> >very useful, and plans to create boilerplate text to put in blanked
> >pages will undermine its usefulness somewhat.
> >
> Hmm...I see what you mean. Well, I'm not really sure what to do about
> that one...
I wonder if there could be a technical solution. Could the server be
made to serve up a page that explained about blank pages and page
history and so forth, instead of just the blanked page?
Evercat
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Allan Crossman
a.crossman(a)blueyonder.co.uk
http://dogma.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
In a message dated 5/29/2003 7:36:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
zoecomnena(a)yahoo.com writes:
> There is an article whose name escapes me which has a
> list of all of the ambassadors from other countries to
> Canada.
>
A long while ago, there was an article listing something like British
ambassadors to Kazakhstan.
Danny
>Zoe wrote
>We keep having this discussion and I keep asking why
>we would rather delete something that discusses
>America instead of adding something that discusses
>other countries, but I already know the answer to
>that, so there's no point in my even bringing it up
>again.
I never said to delete them. I said to move them. It is utterly impractical
to keep them there because
1. Many states have over 100 ambassadors accredited to them. There is no way
we could get all that information, place all that information and not simply
end up with pages that have 5% of the space given over to the country about
which the page is concerned and 95% devoted to a list of ambassadors to and
from that country.
2. That information changes regularly. It would be almost impossible to keep
all the pages up to date.
3. Why should the rest of the world have to chase around tracking down
detailed information to try to balance out the americocentism of an article
when that americocentrism shouldn't be there in the first place?
A far better solution should be to remove this information from those pages,
where it should not be in the first place - making them americocentrist is
hardly NPOV!). Brion already has said that wiki policy is that that
information should not be there. It should either be moved to a special page
devoted to US diplomatic representation, or cut out entirely. But as it is
against wiki policy to have that stuff there and it breaks NPOV rules, these
entries have to be removed. Where they are removed to is simply the issue.
JT
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cprompt writes:
>Do you mean that the links won't appear as though there was no
>article created for them?
No, that's not what I mean. If you go to your preferences, you'll see
a field called "threshold for stub display". Enter a value into it.
All links to articles (not counting redirects) that have less than
that many characters will be rendered in a different colour. This is
very useful, and plans to create boilerplate text to put in blanked
pages will undermine its usefulness somewhat.
--
Allan Crossman
a.crossman(a)blueyonder.co.uk
http://dogma.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
Hi all - I just got an e-mail from someone calling himself 168 . (e-mail
address shakerh4(a)yahoo.com) saying he'd wanted to quote something from
my user page on a new page called wikipedia: Who, Why? I wrote back
pointing out that I was still around - anyway, it seemed like a letter
meant to make me think he was "on my side" If someone e-mails someone
else through the pedia, is there any virus protection thing? I could
find no such page, and now wonder if it wasn't a ploy to get me to
reveal my address .and it's not the one on th emailing list! (I know,
dumb of me). Any suggestions, or am I being paranoid about this being
not entirely kosher?
JHK
I was going to start doing this myself, but I figured it'd be better if
people talked about it first, and more effective if they knew about it.
Instead of blanking articles why not replace the article text with a
redirect to a boilerplate text with something along the lines of "The
content of this article is being disputed. It has been blanked for the
time being, though older version are still accessible through the Page
History. It may have been blanked because of blatantly false
information, or non-encyclopedic garbage. This article may be awaiting
[[votes for deletion]], or awaiting a sysop to delete it. Please use the
Talk Page to discuss this dispute if necessary, and check [[Votes for
Deletion]]"
I wouldn't recommend that exact text be used, but basically, my idea is
to redirect articles to a boilerplate text explaining what's going on
rather than just blanking them.
That way, Googlers and people who located the article in the index or
search function will know what's going on.
Hi Dante - thanks so much for helping out. I would like to agree, but
frankly, there was a similar "language" problem with HJ. I would say
(and by the way, I will not be offended at all if you all want to take
this with a big grain of salt, but I *am* trying to be objective) that
the behavior is more trollish in that T. has offered a number of
(in)sincere-sounding apologies, but doesn't change his behavior
accordingly. Moreover, I am very close to positive that he has changed
his user name a couple of times (although I think Zoe is correct about
his not being DW) - check out entries and attempted discussion near the
beginning of Clovis I and on MammaBear's talk page. Also in this vein
is the fact that, when confronted by an argument he can't answer, he
just moves somewhere else and launches another attack. I appreciate
that he *appears* to be contrite, but I might also point out his more
recent note to me on Talk:Clovis I - where he invites me to work nicely
together, but, after I answered in the same place, he snidely suggested
I reply 'on the proper page' as it were. Again, of course, not willing
to answer specific questions or requests. SO, I must respectfully
disagree with your generous assessment, Sr. Alighieri.
JHK
The 205.188.xx.xx vandal is extremely prolific... suggestions? I can't sit
at my computer 24-7 and watch for this jerk just so I can revert him...
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Dante Alighieri
dalighieri(a)digitalgrapefruit.com
"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their
neutrality in times of great moral crisis."
-Dante Alighieri, 1265-1321
You know, the longer this goes on, the more I'm inclined to believe that
this may in fact be primarily a language issue. I think that Triton is
either getting very clever in the way he's modifying his behavior (if he's
a troll) or else he is genuinely understanding that he was coming across in
a way that was perhaps not what he intended (if he's sincere)... anyone
else care to weigh in?
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Dante Alighieri
dalighieri(a)digitalgrapefruit.com
"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their
neutrality in times of great moral crisis."
-Dante Alighieri, 1265-1321
Jens said:
But I can't understand why this
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image%3A843-870_Europe.jpg
is fair use. The map has been created for an encyclopedia
or an history textbook. If this is fair use, is there any
picture we may not use?
I reply --
This is actually interesting -- when DW (or Elliot) put this up many
months ago, I asked for a reference. I claimed then that this map was
likely not in fair use. My reasoning was as follows: When I was
finishing my thesis in 2000, I was desperate for maps. I found this
map, along with a couple others that this person put up, at the UW
library. I didn't have time to write for permission, and checked the
copyright with the librarians, who said I could only use it under fair
use if I altered the image dramatically, because it was still under
copyright. Unfortunately, I can't tell you the source -- I had a couple
maps copied, traced the parts I needed (the coastlines and rivers) by
hand, scanned them, and labeled them as necessary. Anyway, I think we
shouldn't use any images unless we can definitively say where they're
from -- from what the librarian at my present college says, one still
has to credit image sources for fair use, or it isn't fair use.
Julie
