Hello everyone,
Some people start worrying about the fact that updates to wikidata items would not show up as changes of the Wikipedia articles that use them in their Wikipedia watchlists. Any idea of what can be done to allow regular Wikipedians to follow the changes in Wikidata that affect the articles they are watching without having to maintain and check an additional watchlist on an other wiki?
Also, some people are used to follow changes to articles in a given category (on the French Wikipedia, we have thematic portals on every single article, so many people use the categories associated with the portals to follow the recent changes instead of their own watchlists). Will they still be able to do that if some content is moved to Wikidata?
Amir Elisha Aharoni asked pretty much the same question back in August in a thread entitled “watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki”. He suggested that “The most practical way to solve this is to show that some piece of data that affects a Wikipedia article in the watchlist, as if it is a change in the article itself.” but didn't get any answer on that point.
Best regards,
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Jérémie Roquet arkanosis@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
Some people start worrying about the fact that updates to wikidata items would not show up as changes of the Wikipedia articles that use them in their Wikipedia watchlists. Any idea of what can be done to allow regular Wikipedians to follow the changes in Wikidata that affect the articles they are watching without having to maintain and check an additional watchlist on an other wiki?
Yes You can check this bug for example for status updates on that: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40358
Also, some people are used to follow changes to articles in a given category (on the French Wikipedia, we have thematic portals on every single article, so many people use the categories associated with the portals to follow the recent changes instead of their own watchlists). Will they still be able to do that if some content is moved to Wikidata?
Can you please add a note about that to the above bug so we can keep this in mind? Thanks!
Amir Elisha Aharoni asked pretty much the same question back in August in a thread entitled “watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki”. He suggested that “The most practical way to solve this is to show that some piece of data that affects a Wikipedia article in the watchlist, as if it is a change in the article itself.” but didn't get any answer on that point.
Best regards,
Cheers Lydia
On 02.11.2012 08:47, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Jérémie Roquet arkanosis@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
Some people start worrying about the fact that updates to wikidata items would not show up as changes of the Wikipedia articles that use them in their Wikipedia watchlists.
Not to worry, we have that covered.
Any idea of what can be done to allow regular Wikipedians to follow the changes in Wikidata that affect the articles they are watching without having to maintain and check an additional watchlist on an other wiki?
Yes. If item Q1234 is the item for page Foo on your wiki, changes to Q1234 will show up on your wiki as if they had been done on page Foo. You can see them on recentchanges, your watchlist, etc. You can already play with that on the test wikis, wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de and wikidata-test-client.wikimedia.de.
They do however not (yet) show up in the page history, see below.
Yes You can check this bug for example for status updates on that: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40358
Actually, no. That is about page history, not about changes/watchlists. It'S a bit confusing, but quite important to know that mediawiki treats these quite differently.
* The page history is permanent and contains all the revisions to a page. * Recentchanges (and derived views like watchlists, relatedchanges, etc) contain all kinds of changes (edits, moves, deletions, etc) and are only kept for about 30 days.
Also, some people are used to follow changes to articles in a given category (on the French Wikipedia, we have thematic portals on every single article, so many people use the categories associated with the portals to follow the recent changes instead of their own watchlists). Will they still be able to do that if some content is moved to Wikidata?
Can you please add a note about that to the above bug so we can keep this in mind? Thanks!
Hm... as I said, it's thw wrong ticket for that, and I can't offhand find the correct one. Maybe Katie knows.
But anyway - was was not aware thta it is at all possible to watch changes in a category - or doe they rather use the portal page's relatedchanges feed? That should just work. Try it on the test wiki.
Amir Elisha Aharoni asked pretty much the same question back in August in a thread entitled “watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki”. He suggested that “The most practical way to solve this is to show that some piece of data that affects a Wikipedia article in the watchlist, as if it is a change in the article itself.” but didn't get any answer on that point.
edi I seem to remember that I replied to him about that. The plan to inject changes into the local recentchanges feed (and thus watchlist, relatedchanges, etc) was made at the Hackathon in Berlin in June. I *thought* we had that written down somewhere...
-- daniel
Hi Lydia, Daniel. Thanks for your answers.
2012/11/2 Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinzler@wikimedia.de:
On 02.11.2012 08:47, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Jérémie Roquet arkanosis@gmail.com wrote:
Some people start worrying about the fact that updates to wikidata items would not show up as changes of the Wikipedia articles that use them in their Wikipedia watchlists.
Not to worry, we have that covered.
Any idea of what can be done to allow regular Wikipedians to follow the changes in Wikidata that affect the articles they are watching without having to maintain and check an additional watchlist on an other wiki?
Yes. If item Q1234 is the item for page Foo on your wiki, changes to Q1234 will show up on your wiki as if they had been done on page Foo. You can see them on recentchanges, your watchlist, etc. You can already play with that on the test wikis, wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de and wikidata-test-client.wikimedia.de.
They do however not (yet) show up in the page history, see below.
Ok, great, I'll transmit your answer to who asked. I've been misleaded by the fact they didn't show up in the history ;-)
Yes You can check this bug for example for status updates on that: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40358
Actually, no. That is about page history, not about changes/watchlists. It'S a bit confusing, but quite important to know that mediawiki treats these quite differently.
- The page history is permanent and contains all the revisions to a page.
- Recentchanges (and derived views like watchlists, relatedchanges, etc) contain
all kinds of changes (edits, moves, deletions, etc) and are only kept for about 30 days.
Also, some people are used to follow changes to articles in a given category (on the French Wikipedia, we have thematic portals on every single article, so many people use the categories associated with the portals to follow the recent changes instead of their own watchlists). Will they still be able to do that if some content is moved to Wikidata?
Can you please add a note about that to the above bug so we can keep this in mind? Thanks!
Hm... as I said, it's thw wrong ticket for that, and I can't offhand find the correct one. Maybe Katie knows.
But anyway - was was not aware thta it is at all possible to watch changes in a category - or doe they rather use the portal page's relatedchanges feed? That should just work. Try it on the test wiki.
Yes, that's using Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:NameOfTheCategory. And indeed, it already works on the demo client :)
Amir Elisha Aharoni asked pretty much the same question back in August in a thread entitled “watching Wikidata changes that affect my wiki”. He suggested that “The most practical way to solve this is to show that some piece of data that affects a Wikipedia article in the watchlist, as if it is a change in the article itself.” but didn't get any answer on that point.
edi I seem to remember that I replied to him about that. The plan to inject changes into the local recentchanges feed (and thus watchlist, relatedchanges, etc) was made at the Hackathon in Berlin in June. I *thought* we had that written down somewhere...
I thought I had read that somewhere but I haven't found anything in the ML archive — maybe I heard that in Berlin, I don't remember — so, I didn't want to tell people things that could have been wrong.
Now, with you answers and the working examples on the demo client, it's clear that there is no need to worry on that matter.
Thanks again!