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Luca Martinelli

26 Mar 2014 26 Mar '14

7:20 p.m.

Hi there, I'm sorry - I really, properly am - for this spamming, but it's also something that might interest the Wikidata developing team. I and a couple of other users (if selected) are going to hold a presentation at Wikimania 2014 about a project conducted by Wikimedia Italy and the Europeana network of Ancient Greek and Latin Epigraphy (EAGLE). The full description is here: https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/W%28iki%29B%28ase%29_l… TL;DR: Wikimedia Italy and EAGLE are using Wikibase extensions for building up a database about Ancient Greek and Latin epigraphy, getting the data from various universities and institutions... and the thing is working! :) Of course, those data are in CC0, and there are also plans to donate those data to Wikimedia community when the Commons-Wikidata integration will be completed. This should also be the first project outside the WMF perimeter to use Wikibase for such a project (GerardM, please correct me if I'm wrong). If you're interested in it, you might want to take a peek at it. :) Sorry again for spamming! Cheers, -- Luca "Sannita" Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita

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Gerard Meijssen

28 Mar 28 Mar

1:35 p.m.

Hoi, Luca I love it. As far as I am aware, this is the first Wikidata project outside of WMF. Chapeau !! I had a look. I saw that you had translations. Would it make sense to have the original text in old Greek and Latin? Would it make sense to show these texts with fonts that represent the way it was written in them days ? Thanks, Gerard On 26 March 2014 18:20, Luca Martinelli <martinelliluca(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Luca Martinelli

4:31 p.m.

2014-03-28 12:35 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:

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I had a look. I saw that you had translations. Would it make sense to have the original text in old Greek and Latin?

I'm just on the technical part of the project, so I don't know why the universities didn't share the original texts too. It should be noted also that this project started with clear boundaries, and we cannot press too much the institutions to release data they don't want - still - to share. If I remember correctly they also said they will donate the original texts to Wikisource. I think it would be better to reach the end of this first part of the project, by uploading all the missing translations that we have at the moment, and then discussing with them how to expand the collaboration. As we wrote in the presentation, we're waiting also the development of the Commons-Wikidata integration. My idea is that both original texts and proof-read translations (as well as the other data we still don't have access to) should be treated as metadata - but this will be defined once the Wikidata developing team has made its mind about the Commons-Wikidata integration. We can wait, and we will wait.

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Would it make sense to show these texts with fonts that represent the way it was written in them days ?

No, I don't think so. L.

Andrea Zanni

29 Mar 29 Mar

7:03 p.m.

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Luca Martinelli <martinelliluca(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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At the present moment, there is a lot of discussions and "lobbying" to explain that the Universities could benefit in releasing the transcriptions (and other data) in CC licenses, but it's a long battle. We will win, of course :-) As Luca was saying, we are very proud of this projects, and hopefully more insights and feedbacks will come in the future, from the academic community. At the present moment, Wikibase is proving itself a great software for collaboration with structured data (which of course was the goal from the beginning). Aubrey

rupert THURNER

30 Mar 30 Mar

1:30 p.m.

Am 29.03.2014 18:04 schrieb "Andrea Zanni" <zanni.andrea84(a)gmail.com>om>:

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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Luca Martinelli <martinelliluca(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

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At the present moment, there is a lot of discussions and "lobbying" to

explain that the Universities could benefit in releasing the transcriptions (and other data) in CC licenses, but it's a long battle.

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We will win, of course :-) As Luca was saying, we are very proud of this projects, and hopefully

more insights and feedbacks will come in the future, from the academic community.

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At the present moment, Wikibase is proving itself a great software for

collaboration with structured data (which of course was the goal from the beginning). Great to hear, Luca. If you are doing the technical part, who is the person to speak to for the project and licensing? Gerard, if this is the first project outside of wmf concerning wikidata, what is the first project including wmf? Rupert

Luca Martinelli

1:43 p.m.

Il 30/mar/2014 12:30 "rupert THURNER" <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:

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Great to hear, Luca. If you are doing the technical part, who is the

person to speak to for the project and licensing? There will be a representative from EAGLE for sure, since he lives in London. My presence depends on if O get a scholarship or by my capacity of saving some money. :)

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Gerard, if this is the first project outside of wmf concerning wikidata,

what is the first project including wmf? Well, actually we are talking about Wikibase, which is the extension that Wikidata uses, not Wikidata itself. This project is allegedly the first non-WMF to use Wikibase, since the first (and only) WMF project is Wikidata. Then again, we all know Wikibase stemmed from a WM-DE idea... :) L.

Cristian Consonni

1:54 p.m.

2014-03-30 12:43 GMT+02:00 Luca Martinelli <martinelliluca(a)gmail.com>om>:

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Gerard, if this is the first project outside of wmf concerning wikidata, what is the first project including wmf?

Well, actually we are talking about Wikibase, which is the extension that Wikidata uses, not Wikidata itself. This project is allegedly the first non-WMF to use Wikibase, since the first (and only) WMF project is Wikidata. Then again, we all know Wikibase stemmed from a WM-DE idea... :)

Adam Shorland, from the Wikidata development team, gave a presentation at the "Spaghetti Open Data" conference in Bologna, Italy on Friday (his participation was sponsored by WM-IT) and we had this funny moment like: * question from the public "Are there examples of use of Wikibase outside Wikidata" * Adam: "Not to my knowledge" * Me: "Actually yes, EAGLE..." We (as "Wikimedia Italia") did not advertise the project very much :) C

Andrea Zanni

6:04 p.m.

On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 12:30 PM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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Great to hear, Luca. If you are doing the technical part, who is the person to speak to for the project and licensing?

Luca was speaking about Pietro Liuzzo, and Italian researcher based in London and working for the EAGLE project. We spoke a lot (just this week) about the state of the project, and I can just repeat that we have still a long way to convince all the project partners to release all the material which might be interesting for Wikimedia projects. Pietro is a member of Wikimedia Italia as well and wholeheartly shares our goals and vision, but he's not in charge and he's pushing diplomatically the project towards a more shared and collaborative approach. Not very easy with 8 different universities in 8 different countries... As you can imagine, every academic domain has his own approach toward sharing and open collaboration, lets say that in Latin and Greek epigraphy they are a bit closed (i recently discovered that the "papyri" domain is on the other hand very open... :-) Aubrey

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