While the proposal of all statements requiring citation is obviously overshooting, I believe we all agree that more/better citations improve Wikidata. One component here would be a social one, namely that it first becomes good practice, then the default, to cite statements. For that, improved technology and new approaches are required. Suggestions include: * Open a blank reference box when adding a statement in the default editor, thus subtly prompting a reference * Show a "smart field" for reference adding, e.g. just paste a URL, and it registers it's an URL, suggests a title from the page at the URL, adds access date, suggests other data that can be inferred from the URL or the linked page, shows likely other fields (e.g. "author" or such) for easy fill-in * Automatically add references for statements via external IDs. I have a bot that does that to some degree, but it could use productizing * Tools to "migrate" Wikipedia references to the actual sources. (Again, I have some, but...) * "Reference mode", to quickly add references to statements. (I have a drag'n'drop script, but that breaks on every Wikidata UI update) * A list of items/statements that are in "priority need" for referencing. For example, death dates of the recently deceased should be simple, while they are still in the news. * Dedicated drives to complete a "set" (e.g. all women chemists), that is, have all statements references in those items * Special watchlist for new statements without reference, especially on otherwise "completely referenced" items Magnus On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:56 PM Brill Lyle &lt;wp.brilllyle(a)gmail.com <mailto:wp.brilllyle@gmail.com>> wrote: *blanket, not blanked... * * _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

These are great, important suggestions. But like with the library science resources, it seems like Wikidata is again trying to re-invent an existing wheel. Why are the existing tools in Wikipedia not being migrated and/or pathway'd into Wikidata? The stripping of Wikipedia citations to push it to Wikidata often / always (?) denudes the information of what is a very rigorous requirement on Wiki. I love the Citoid option, or whatever has been deployed for the Wiki Markup editor when you put an ISBN number, OCLC number, or NYTimes URL into the lookups there. There is no interchangeability with Wikidata though? #WikiCite :-) Agree on the {{citation needed}} button, Finn! ha! - Erika *Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle>* On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Magnus Manske < magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

OK, this thread seems appropriate, so I just fixed up one of my scripts, it lets you *drag'n'drop references between statements *drag'n'drop URL references from Wikipedia (sidebar preview) onto statements *drag'n'drop Wikipedia links as new statements (asks for a property to use) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/dragref.js

Maybe it helps, a little.

Sure, maybe it gets more people involved in coding as well. Having thigs show up in a "proper" way after dropping would be nice, but I'd have no idea where to start.

Speaking of: Do I suggest that new gadget on Phabricator, or a Wikidata page?

These are great -- and love the videos. THANK YOU -- dreams can come true! :-) - Erika *Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle>* On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Magnus Manske &lt;magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com > Sure, maybe it gets more people involved in coding as well. Having thigs > show up in a "proper" way after dropping would be nice, but I'd have no > idea where to start. > Speaking of: Do I suggest that new gadget on Phabricator, or a Wikidata > page? > > Actually, I made that script a while ago, but it broke after an UI > change; that's what I meant by "fixed". I even have YouTube HOWTOs: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRYEjmoDkLQ > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP-qJIkjPf0 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew7oGEhtTPI > > > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:34 PM Lydia Pintscher < > lydia.pintscher(a)wikimedia.de&gt; wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Magnus Manske >> &lt;magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote: >> > OK, this thread seems appropriate, so I just fixed up one of my >> scripts, it >> > lets you >> > *drag'n'drop references between statements >> > *drag'n'drop URL references from Wikipedia (sidebar preview) onto >> statements >> > *drag'n'drop Wikipedia links as new statements (asks for a property to >> use) >> > >> > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/dragref.js >> >

The Visual editor has a whole UI team behind it, who've been working on it for years. Yes, citations are only a small part of it, but there is nothing equivalent in WMF or German chapter for Wikidata, AFAIK. The Wikidata UI is improved constantly, but I don't think there is anyone, let alone a whole team, developing massive new UI features.

General remark for everyone in this thread: I encourage you all to discuss here but if you care about the outcome of the RfC please go and add your opinion there. What is on the RfC page is what determines the outcome of the RfC. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207. _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata