Hi Mathieu, Rob, Denny, and Wikidatans,
I'm writing to inquire about further Wikidata CC licensing
clarifications.
Wikidata may be heading to
which allows for a) sharing b) adapting and even c) commercially
MIT OCW uses, by way of comparison,
which allows for a) sharing b) adapting but c) non-commercially
At a Wikimedia conference in early 2017, with Lydia and Dario present, I
think I learned that all books / WikiCitations in all 301 of Wikipedia
languages could be licensed, or heading to be licensed, with CC-0
licensing -
- which would allow
them to be data sources for online bookstores even. Is this the case. Could
some of Wikidata's data be licensed with CC-SA-4 (
) and other data be
licensed with CC-0?
Thanks.
Cheers, Scott
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Rob Speer <rob(a)luminoso.com> wrote:
As
always, copyright is predatory. As we can prove that copyright is the
enemy of
science and knowledge
Well, this kind of gets to the heart of the issue, doesn't it.
I support the Creative Commons license, including the share-alike term,
which requires copyright in order to work, and I've contributed to
multiple
Wikimedia projects with the understanding that my work would be protected
by CC-By-SA.
Wikidata is engaged in a project-wide act of disobedience against
CC-By-SA.
I would say that GerardM has provided an excellent summary of the attitude
toward Creative Commons that I've encountered on Wikidata: "it's holding
us
back", "it's the enemy", "you can't copyright
knowledge", "you can't make
us follow it", etc.
The result of this, by the way, is that commercial entities sell modified
versions of Wikidata with impunity. It undermines the terms of other
resources such as DBPedia, which also contains facts extracted from
Wikipedia and respects its Share-Alike terms. Why would anyone use DBPedia
and have to agree to share alike, when they can get similar data from
Wikidata which promises them it's CC-0?
On Wed, 16 May 2018 at 21:43 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
Thank you for the overly broad misrepresentation. As always, copyright
is
predatory. As we can prove that copyright is the
enemy of science and
knowledge we should not be upset that *copyright *is abused we should
welcome it as it proves the point. Also when we use texts from
everywhere
and rephrase it in Wikipedia articles
"we" are not lily white either.
In "them old days" generally we felt that when people would use
Wikipedia,
it would only serve our purpose; share the sum of
all knowledge. I still
feel really good about that. And, it has been shown that what we do;
maintain / curate / update that data that it is not easily given to do
as
well as "we" do it.
When we are to be more precise with our copyright, there are a few
things
we could do to make copyright more transparent.
When data is to be
uploaded
(Commons / Wikipedia or Wikidata) we should use a
user that is OWNED and
operated by the copyright holder. The operation may be by proxy and as a
consequence there is no longer a question about copyright as the
copyright
holder can do as we wants. This makes any future
noises just that,
annoying.
As to copyright on Wikidata, when you consider copyright using data from
Wikipedia. The question is: "What Wikipedia" I have copied a lot of data
from several Wikipedias and believe me, from a quality point of view
there
is much to be gained by using Wikidata as an
instrument for good
because it
is really strong in identifying friends and false
friends. It is
superior
as a tool for disambiguation.
About the copyright on data, the overriding question with data is: do
you
copy data wholesale in Wikidata. That is what a
database copyright is
about. As I wrote on my blog [1], the best data to include is data that
is
corroborated by the fact that it is present in
multiple sources. This
negates the notion of a single source, it also underscores that much of
the
data everywhere is replicated a lot. It also
underscores, again, the
notion
that data that is only present in single sources
is what needs
attention.
It needs tender loving care, it needs other
sources to establish
credentials. That is in its own right what makes any claim of copyright
moot. It is in this process that it becomes a "creative" process
negating
the copyright held on databases.
I welcome the attention that is given to copyright in Wikidata. However
our
attention to copyright is predatory in two ways.
It is how can we get
around existing copyright and how can we protect our own. As argued,
Wikidata shines when it is used for what it is intended to be; the place
that brings data, of Wikipedias first and elsewhere second, together to
be
used as a repository of quality, open and linked
data.
Thanks,
GerardM
[1]
https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2018/05/wikidata-copyrig
ht-and-linked-data.html
On 11 May 2018 at 23:10, Rob Speer <rob(a)luminoso.com> wrote:
Wow, thanks for the heads up. When I was getting
upset about projects
that
change the license on Wikimedia content and
commercialize it, I had no
idea
> that Wikidata was providing them the cover to do so. The Creative
Commons
violation
is coming from inside the house!
On Tue, 8 May 2018 at 03:48 mathieu stumpf guntz <
psychoslave(a)culture-libre.org> wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> There is a phabricator ticket on Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata
> <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193728> that you might be
interested
> > to look at and participate in.
> >
> > As Denny suggested in the ticket to give it more visibility through
the
> > discussion on the Wikidata chat
> > <
> >
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#
> Importing_datasets_under_incompatible_licenses>,
> >
> > I thought it was interesting to highlight it a bit more.
> >
> > Cheers
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