I want to add relationships between Mexica :Q3307681and Aztec Empire :Q794210 [1] where Mexicas were an indigenous people of the Valley of Mexico, known today as the rulers of the Aztec empire. I haven't found any properties that seem appropriate to me so I'd like to get your insight before adding any. What properties would be most appropriate?
[1] ConceptMap link: http://bit.ly/1RMVgsD
Regards, James Weaver
Hi James,
Interesting question, this one. There's no easy way to link, eg, "France" and "French people".
We have a property for "category of associated people" (P1792), so: France [P1792] Category:French people; & in turn that has a "category's main topic": Category:French people [P301] French people - but this is very convoluted!
I wonder if this might be something looking for a suitable new property - "inhabited by"? "associated nationality"?. Alternatively, we could use P17, "country", on the item for the population group - this is a bit generic, but it would work.
Andrew.
On 13 January 2016 at 18:58, james@j1w.xyz wrote:
I want to add relationships between Mexica :Q3307681and Aztec Empire :Q794210 [1] where Mexicas were an indigenous people of the Valley of Mexico, known today as the rulers of the Aztec empire. I haven't found any properties that seem appropriate to me so I'd like to get your insight before adding any. What properties would be most appropriate?
[1] ConceptMap link: http://bit.ly/1RMVgsD
Regards, James Weaver
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Hi James,
This is quite similar to my proposal for a "culture" property [1], which would be used e.g. for Tenochtitlan [Q13695] has "culture" Mexica [Q3307681] (and probably also has culture Aztec [Q12542]). You could potentially extend the usage of this attribute so that you could have the "culture" of the Aztec Empire set to Mexica.
I agree with Andrew that "inhabited by" is a property that needs adding - though in this case, it wouldn't indicate that Mexica were rulers of the Aztec Empire, just that they lived in it.
Thanks, Lawrence
[1] "culture" property proposal: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#cultu...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 09:49 Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Hi James,
Interesting question, this one. There's no easy way to link, eg, "France" and "French people".
We have a property for "category of associated people" (P1792), so: France [P1792] Category:French people; & in turn that has a "category's main topic": Category:French people [P301] French people - but this is very convoluted!
I wonder if this might be something looking for a suitable new property - "inhabited by"? "associated nationality"?. Alternatively, we could use P17, "country", on the item for the population group - this is a bit generic, but it would work.
Andrew.
On 13 January 2016 at 18:58, james@j1w.xyz wrote:
I want to add relationships between Mexica :Q3307681and Aztec Empire :Q794210 [1] where Mexicas were an indigenous people of the Valley of Mexico, known today as the rulers of the Aztec empire. I haven't found any properties that seem appropriate to me so I'd like to get your insight before adding any. What properties would be most appropriate?
[1] ConceptMap link: http://bit.ly/1RMVgsD
Regards, James Weaver
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"Culture" seems a good idea. I was considering whether "associated peoples" might be better than "inhabited by" - with a constraint to make it clear that values had to be an instance of a nationality, ethnic group, population, etc., rather than individuals. It seems to overlap a bit with "culture".
This would let us have "countries" like:
* Aztec empire : associated peoples : Mexica (and others) * France : associated peoples : French people
but also could be used for both historic & contemporary cultural concepts/objects/sites/etc:
* Armenian dance : associated peoples : Armenian people * Sutton Hoo : associated peoples : Anglo-Saxons * Highland dress : associated peoples : Scottish people
Unlike the culture idea, it wouldn't be implicitly "dominant culture". This may or many not be a good thing :-)
Andrew.
On 14 January 2016 at 10:48, Lawrence Troup lawrencetroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James,
This is quite similar to my proposal for a "culture" property [1], which would be used e.g. for Tenochtitlan [Q13695] has "culture" Mexica [Q3307681] (and probably also has culture Aztec [Q12542]). You could potentially extend the usage of this attribute so that you could have the "culture" of the Aztec Empire set to Mexica.
I agree with Andrew that "inhabited by" is a property that needs adding - though in this case, it wouldn't indicate that Mexica were rulers of the Aztec Empire, just that they lived in it.
Thanks, Lawrence
[1] "culture" property proposal: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#cultu...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 09:49 Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Hi James,
Interesting question, this one. There's no easy way to link, eg, "France" and "French people".
We have a property for "category of associated people" (P1792), so: France [P1792] Category:French people; & in turn that has a "category's main topic": Category:French people [P301] French people - but this is very convoluted!
I wonder if this might be something looking for a suitable new property - "inhabited by"? "associated nationality"?. Alternatively, we could use P17, "country", on the item for the population group - this is a bit generic, but it would work.
Andrew.
On 13 January 2016 at 18:58, james@j1w.xyz wrote:
I want to add relationships between Mexica :Q3307681and Aztec Empire :Q794210 [1] where Mexicas were an indigenous people of the Valley of Mexico, known today as the rulers of the Aztec empire. I haven't found any properties that seem appropriate to me so I'd like to get your insight before adding any. What properties would be most appropriate?
[1] ConceptMap link: http://bit.ly/1RMVgsD
Regards, James Weaver
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I like the "associated peoples" idea - it's more widely applicable than "culture". I could change my proposal to this, so that it could be used for all these cases?
If 'dominant culture' needs indicating, I think it would make sense to do this as a 'qualifier' on the relevant culture (there may not be an appropriate property for this yet). Similarly, you could specify 'start-date' and 'end-date' qualifiers to indicate when each people was associated with the site/object/concept.
Lawrence
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 13:34 Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
"Culture" seems a good idea. I was considering whether "associated peoples" might be better than "inhabited by" - with a constraint to make it clear that values had to be an instance of a nationality, ethnic group, population, etc., rather than individuals. It seems to overlap a bit with "culture".
This would let us have "countries" like:
- Aztec empire : associated peoples : Mexica (and others)
- France : associated peoples : French people
but also could be used for both historic & contemporary cultural concepts/objects/sites/etc:
- Armenian dance : associated peoples : Armenian people
- Sutton Hoo : associated peoples : Anglo-Saxons
- Highland dress : associated peoples : Scottish people
Unlike the culture idea, it wouldn't be implicitly "dominant culture". This may or many not be a good thing :-)
Andrew.
On 14 January 2016 at 10:48, Lawrence Troup lawrencetroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James,
This is quite similar to my proposal for a "culture" property [1], which would be used e.g. for Tenochtitlan [Q13695] has "culture" Mexica
[Q3307681]
(and probably also has culture Aztec [Q12542]). You could potentially
extend
the usage of this attribute so that you could have the "culture" of the Aztec Empire set to Mexica.
I agree with Andrew that "inhabited by" is a property that needs adding - though in this case, it wouldn't indicate that Mexica were rulers of the Aztec Empire, just that they lived in it.
Thanks, Lawrence
[1] "culture" property proposal:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#cultu...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 09:49 Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk
wrote:
Hi James,
Interesting question, this one. There's no easy way to link, eg, "France" and "French people".
We have a property for "category of associated people" (P1792), so: France [P1792] Category:French people; & in turn that has a "category's main topic": Category:French people [P301] French people - but this is very convoluted!
I wonder if this might be something looking for a suitable new property - "inhabited by"? "associated nationality"?. Alternatively, we could use P17, "country", on the item for the population group - this is a bit generic, but it would work.
Andrew.
On 13 January 2016 at 18:58, james@j1w.xyz wrote:
I want to add relationships between Mexica :Q3307681and Aztec Empire :Q794210 [1] where Mexicas were an indigenous people of the Valley of Mexico, known today as the rulers of the Aztec empire. I haven't
found
any properties that seem appropriate to me so I'd like to get your insight before adding any. What properties would be most appropriate?
[1] ConceptMap link: http://bit.ly/1RMVgsD
Regards, James Weaver
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Thanks for your responses, Andrew and Lawrence. What are thoughts about a new property (e.g. "ruled by" or "governed by") that expresses this sentiment?
Please advise, James Weaver
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016, at 05:48 AM, Lawrence Troup wrote:
Hi James,
This is quite similar to my proposal for a "culture" property [1], which would be used e.g. for Tenochtitlan [Q13695] has "culture" Mexica [Q3307681] (and probably also has culture Aztec [Q12542]). You could potentially extend the usage of this attribute so that you could have the "culture" of the Aztec Empire set to Mexica.
I agree with Andrew that "inhabited by" is a property that needs adding - though in this case, it wouldn't indicate that Mexica were rulers of the Aztec Empire, just that they lived in it.
Thanks, Lawrence
[1] "culture" property proposal: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#cultu...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 09:49 Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Hi James,
Interesting question, this one. There's no easy way to link, eg,
"France" and "French people".
We have a property for "category of associated people" (P1792), so:
France [P1792] Category:French people; & in turn that has a
"category's main topic": Category:French people [P301] French people -
but this is very convoluted!
I wonder if this might be something looking for a suitable new
property - "inhabited by"? "associated nationality"?. Alternatively,
we could use P17, "country", on the item for the population group -
this is a bit generic, but it would work.
Andrew.
On 13 January 2016 at 18:58, james@j1w.xyz wrote:
I want to add relationships between Mexica :Q3307681and Aztec Empire
:Q794210 [1] where Mexicas were an indigenous people of the Valley of
Mexico, known today as the rulers of the Aztec empire. I haven't found
any properties that seem appropriate to me so I'd like to get your
insight before adding any. What properties would be most appropriate?
[1] ConceptMap link: http://bit.ly/1RMVgsD
Regards,
James Weaver
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Hi James,
I think the problem with 'ruled by' is that it could be confused with 'head of state', which is used for the reverse relationship when the referring to an individual leader (rather than a ruling people).
I think the correct approach here would be to get the 'associated people' property defined, allowing multiple peoples to be associated with e.g. the Aztec Empire. Then when the people are the rulers of the society, have an 'instance of' qualifier on that particular people.
To give the full example: Aztec Empire [Q12542] : 'associated people' = Mexica [Q3307681] with Qualifier 'instance of' Ruling Party [Q1346215].
I'm not certain that Q1346215 is the most appropriate item to use here, but hopefully you get the idea.
Thanks, Lawrence
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 13:38 james@j1w.xyz wrote:
Thanks for your responses, Andrew and Lawrence. What are thoughts about a new property (e.g. "ruled by" or "governed by") that expresses this sentiment?
Please advise, James Weaver
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016, at 05:48 AM, Lawrence Troup wrote:
Hi James,
This is quite similar to my proposal for a "culture" property [1], which would be used e.g. for Tenochtitlan [Q13695] has "culture" Mexica [Q3307681] (and probably also has culture Aztec [Q12542]). You could potentially extend the usage of this attribute so that you could have the "culture" of the Aztec Empire set to Mexica.
I agree with Andrew that "inhabited by" is a property that needs adding - though in this case, it wouldn't indicate that Mexica were rulers of the Aztec Empire, just that they lived in it.
Thanks, Lawrence
[1] "culture" property proposal: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#cultu...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 09:49 Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Hi James,
Interesting question, this one. There's no easy way to link, eg, "France" and "French people".
We have a property for "category of associated people" (P1792), so: France [P1792] Category:French people; & in turn that has a "category's main topic": Category:French people [P301] French people - but this is very convoluted!
I wonder if this might be something looking for a suitable new property - "inhabited by"? "associated nationality"?. Alternatively, we could use P17, "country", on the item for the population group - this is a bit generic, but it would work.
Andrew.
On 13 January 2016 at 18:58, james@j1w.xyz wrote:
I want to add relationships between Mexica :Q3307681and
:Q794210 [1] where Mexicas were an indigenous people of the Valley of Mexico, known today as the rulers of the Aztec empire. I haven't found any properties that seem appropriate to me so I'd like to get your insight before adding any. What properties would be most appropriate?
[1] ConceptMap link: http://bit.ly/1RMVgsD
Regards, James Weaver
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Hi James, Andrew,
I've now created a proposal for an 'associated people' property [1]. If you're happy with this proposal, can add support for it? Or provide any comments on it.
Thanks, Lawrence
[1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#associated_...
On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 at 14:53 Lawrence Troup lawrencetroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James,
I think the problem with 'ruled by' is that it could be confused with 'head of state', which is used for the reverse relationship when the referring to an individual leader (rather than a ruling people).
I think the correct approach here would be to get the 'associated people' property defined, allowing multiple peoples to be associated with e.g. the Aztec Empire. Then when the people are the rulers of the society, have an 'instance of' qualifier on that particular people.
To give the full example: Aztec Empire [Q12542] : 'associated people' = Mexica [Q3307681] with Qualifier 'instance of' Ruling Party [Q1346215].
I'm not certain that Q1346215 is the most appropriate item to use here, but hopefully you get the idea.
Thanks, Lawrence
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 13:38 james@j1w.xyz wrote:
Thanks for your responses, Andrew and Lawrence. What are thoughts about a new property (e.g. "ruled by" or "governed by") that expresses this sentiment?
Please advise, James Weaver
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016, at 05:48 AM, Lawrence Troup wrote:
Hi James,
This is quite similar to my proposal for a "culture" property [1], which would be used e.g. for Tenochtitlan [Q13695] has "culture" Mexica [Q3307681] (and probably also has culture Aztec [Q12542]). You could potentially extend the usage of this attribute so that you could have the "culture" of the Aztec Empire set to Mexica.
I agree with Andrew that "inhabited by" is a property that needs adding - though in this case, it wouldn't indicate that Mexica were rulers of the Aztec Empire, just that they lived in it.
Thanks, Lawrence
[1] "culture" property proposal: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#cultu...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 09:49 Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Hi James,
Interesting question, this one. There's no easy way to link, eg, "France" and "French people".
We have a property for "category of associated people" (P1792), so: France [P1792] Category:French people; & in turn that has a "category's main topic": Category:French people [P301] French people - but this is very convoluted!
I wonder if this might be something looking for a suitable new property - "inhabited by"? "associated nationality"?. Alternatively, we could use P17, "country", on the item for the population group - this is a bit generic, but it would work.
Andrew.
On 13 January 2016 at 18:58, james@j1w.xyz wrote:
I want to add relationships between Mexica :Q3307681and
:Q794210 [1] where Mexicas were an indigenous people of the Valley of
Mexico, known today as the rulers of the Aztec empire. I haven't found any properties that seem appropriate to me so I'd like to get your insight before adding any. What properties would be most appropriate?
[1] ConceptMap link: http://bit.ly/1RMVgsD
Regards, James Weaver
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Thanks Lawrence. I agree with your approach. What is the best way to show support for this new property?
Please advise, James Weaver
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016, at 01:01 PM, Lawrence Troup wrote:
Hi James, Andrew,
I've now created a proposal for an 'associated people' property [1]. If you're happy with this proposal, can add support for it? Or provide any comments on it.
Thanks, Lawrence
[1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#associated_...
On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 at 14:53 Lawrence Troup lawrencetroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James,
I think the problem with 'ruled by' is that it could be confused with 'head of state', which is used for the reverse relationship when the referring to an individual leader (rather than a ruling people).
I think the correct approach here would be to get the 'associated people' property defined, allowing multiple peoples to be associated with e.g. the Aztec Empire. Then when the people are the rulers of the society, have an 'instance of' qualifier on that particular people.
To give the full example: Aztec Empire [Q12542] : 'associated people' = Mexica [Q3307681] with Qualifier 'instance of' Ruling Party [Q1346215].
I'm not certain that Q1346215 is the most appropriate item to use here, but hopefully you get the idea.
Thanks, Lawrence
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 13:38 james@j1w.xyz wrote:
__ Thanks for your responses, Andrew and Lawrence. What are thoughts about a new property (e.g. "ruled by" or "governed by") that expresses this sentiment?
Please advise, James Weaver
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016, at 05:48 AM, Lawrence Troup wrote:
Hi James,
This is quite similar to my proposal for a "culture" property [1], which would be used e.g. for Tenochtitlan [Q13695] has "culture" Mexica [Q3307681] (and probably also has culture Aztec [Q12542]). You could potentially extend the usage of this attribute so that you could have the "culture" of the Aztec Empire set to Mexica.
I agree with Andrew that "inhabited by" is a property that needs adding - though in this case, it wouldn't indicate that Mexica were rulers of the Aztec Empire, just that they lived in it.
Thanks, Lawrence
[1] "culture" property proposal: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#cultu...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 09:49 Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Hi James,
Interesting question, this one. There's no easy way to link, eg, "France" and "French people".
We have a property for "category of associated people" (P1792), so: France [P1792] Category:French people; & in turn that has a "category's main topic": Category:French people [P301] French people - but this is very convoluted!
I wonder if this might be something looking for a suitable new property - "inhabited by"? "associated nationality"?. Alternatively, we could use P17, "country", on the item for the population group - this is a bit generic, but it would work.
Andrew.
On 13 January 2016 at 18:58, james@j1w.xyz wrote:
I want to add relationships between Mexica :Q3307681and
:Q794210 [1] where Mexicas were an indigenous people of the Valley of Mexico, known today as the rulers of the Aztec empire. I haven't found any properties that seem appropriate to me so I'd like to get your insight before adding any. What properties would be most appropriate?
[1] ConceptMap link: http://bit.ly/1RMVgsD
Regards, James Weaver
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Hi James,
Simply edit https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#associated_... to add support for the proposed property (or add any comments you have).
Thanks, Lawrence
On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 at 19:56 james@j1w.xyz wrote:
Thanks Lawrence. I agree with your approach. What is the best way to show support for this new property?
Please advise, James Weaver
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016, at 01:01 PM, Lawrence Troup wrote:
Hi James, Andrew,
I've now created a proposal for an 'associated people' property [1]. If you're happy with this proposal, can add support for it? Or provide any comments on it.
Thanks, Lawrence
[1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#associated_...
On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 at 14:53 Lawrence Troup lawrencetroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James,
I think the problem with 'ruled by' is that it could be confused with 'head of state', which is used for the reverse relationship when the referring to an individual leader (rather than a ruling people).
I think the correct approach here would be to get the 'associated people' property defined, allowing multiple peoples to be associated with e.g. the Aztec Empire. Then when the people are the rulers of the society, have an 'instance of' qualifier on that particular people.
To give the full example: Aztec Empire [Q12542] : 'associated people' = Mexica [Q3307681] with Qualifier 'instance of' Ruling Party [Q1346215].
I'm not certain that Q1346215 is the most appropriate item to use here, but hopefully you get the idea.
Thanks, Lawrence
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 13:38 james@j1w.xyz wrote:
Thanks for your responses, Andrew and Lawrence. What are thoughts about a new property (e.g. "ruled by" or "governed by") that expresses this sentiment?
Please advise, James Weaver
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016, at 05:48 AM, Lawrence Troup wrote:
Hi James,
This is quite similar to my proposal for a "culture" property [1], which would be used e.g. for Tenochtitlan [Q13695] has "culture" Mexica [Q3307681] (and probably also has culture Aztec [Q12542]). You could potentially extend the usage of this attribute so that you could have the "culture" of the Aztec Empire set to Mexica.
I agree with Andrew that "inhabited by" is a property that needs adding - though in this case, it wouldn't indicate that Mexica were rulers of the Aztec Empire, just that they lived in it.
Thanks, Lawrence
[1] "culture" property proposal: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#cultu...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 09:49 Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Hi James,
Interesting question, this one. There's no easy way to link, eg, "France" and "French people".
We have a property for "category of associated people" (P1792), so: France [P1792] Category:French people; & in turn that has a "category's main topic": Category:French people [P301] French people - but this is very convoluted!
I wonder if this might be something looking for a suitable new property - "inhabited by"? "associated nationality"?. Alternatively, we could use P17, "country", on the item for the population group - this is a bit generic, but it would work.
Andrew.
On 13 January 2016 at 18:58, james@j1w.xyz wrote:
I want to add relationships between Mexica :Q3307681and
:Q794210 [1] where Mexicas were an indigenous people of the Valley of
Mexico, known today as the rulers of the Aztec empire. I haven't found any properties that seem appropriate to me so I'd like to get your insight before adding any. What properties would be most appropriate?
[1] ConceptMap link: http://bit.ly/1RMVgsD
Regards, James Weaver
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Drop the word "people".....(but assume it can be placed later)
In Freebase, we had 2 properties on Country called: Official Language Languages spoken
We also had on Location a property called: Adjectival Form
Adjectival Form had a description that said: "The adjectival form of this location (e.g., "French" for France, "Glaswegian" for Glasgow). This property can be used by applications when creating titles or lists (e.g. by referencing this property when creating a title, such as "French actors"
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 4:48 AM, Lawrence Troup lawrencetroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James,
This is quite similar to my proposal for a "culture" property [1], which would be used e.g. for Tenochtitlan [Q13695] has "culture" Mexica [Q3307681] (and probably also has culture Aztec [Q12542]). You could potentially extend the usage of this attribute so that you could have the "culture" of the Aztec Empire set to Mexica.
I agree with Andrew that "inhabited by" is a property that needs adding - though in this case, it wouldn't indicate that Mexica were rulers of the Aztec Empire, just that they lived in it.
Thanks, Lawrence
[1] "culture" property proposal: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#cultu...
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 at 09:49 Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Hi James,
Interesting question, this one. There's no easy way to link, eg, "France" and "French people".
We have a property for "category of associated people" (P1792), so: France [P1792] Category:French people; & in turn that has a "category's main topic": Category:French people [P301] French people - but this is very convoluted!
I wonder if this might be something looking for a suitable new property - "inhabited by"? "associated nationality"?. Alternatively, we could use P17, "country", on the item for the population group - this is a bit generic, but it would work.
Andrew.
On 13 January 2016 at 18:58, james@j1w.xyz wrote:
I want to add relationships between Mexica :Q3307681and Aztec Empire :Q794210 [1] where Mexicas were an indigenous people of the Valley of Mexico, known today as the rulers of the Aztec empire. I haven't found any properties that seem appropriate to me so I'd like to get your insight before adding any. What properties would be most appropriate?
[1] ConceptMap link: http://bit.ly/1RMVgsD
Regards, James Weaver
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