Wikidata and Wiktionary: an IEG proposal to build a database of etymological relationships based on Wiktionary and an associated visualization - Wikidata

Denny Vrandečić

4 May 4 May

7:38 p.m.

I think that is a great idea. But Wikidata is not suited yet a lexical knowledge base, and I think that would be a necessary precondition for your project. There is a project plan to make Wikidata suitable to be a lexical knowledge base: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development And I sure hope that we will hear soon how this will move forward :) On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 8:02 AM Ester Pantaleo <esterpantaleo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hello, I am writing to get some feedback on an IGE grant proposal <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/A_graphical_and_interactive_etymology_dictionary_based_on_Wiktionary> I submitted to Wikimedia that might be of interest to the Wikidata community as it aims at building a database from Wiktionary data. More specifically the aim of the project is to develop an interactive visualization for etymological relationships using dbnary's extraction-framework (for Wiktionary) http://kaiko.getalp.org/about-dbnary/ The data behind the visualization will consist of an RDF database of Wiktionary data (definition, part of speech, synonyms, etc) built using dbnary and a database of etymological relationships built using a custom code (to be integrated into dbnary) that translates Wiktionary textual etymology into a graph database of etymological relationships. A demo of my interactive visualization *etytree* is available here: http://www.epantaleo.com/2015/12/01/etymology-tree/ The visualization will present - in one graph - the etymology of all words deriving from the same ancestor. Users can expand/collapse the tree to visualize what they are interested in. The textual part attached to the graph can be easily translated in any language and the app would become a multilingual resource. I am writing to the Wikidata community because I would like to know if the Wikidata community thinks Wikidata could host this data. This project could help integrate dbnary into a Wikimedia environment and create a database from Wiktionary. In particular, the database of etymological relationships will be available for the community and can be used as a resource to study the history of languages, how pronunciation evolved through time, and eventually how semantics evolved through time. The link to the grant proposal is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/A_graphical_and_interactive_etym… Feedback is very welcome on the grant proposal page or on the talk page of the grant https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:IEG/A_graphical_and_interactive… Looking forward to read your comments. Thanks a lot! Ester Pantaleo _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

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Info WorldUniversity

8:20 p.m.

Hi Ester, Denny and Wikidatans, CC World University and School is interested in collaborating, if possible, and is planning to develop both in CC Wikidata's ~300 languages, but eventually in all 7,943+ languages, and potentially with Wiktionary, and with developing a Universal Translator (and including an historical component - e.g time slider in Street View - which would work also with etymological history). I'm glad to be giving an IBM Cognitive Systems' talk ( http://cognitive-science.info/community/weekly-update/) tomorrow, Thursday, May, at 7:30am PT/ 10:30am ET, as founder and president of World University and School, on "A Universal Translator as a Cognitive System, beginning as a Guidebook with Test" - to which you're invited. The WUaS Universal Translator will help translate WUaS's wiki pages with CC MIT OCW in 7 languages from English into all countries' official languages, and much, much more in all 7,943 languages. Here's a WUaS MediaWiki example from English to German - http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2016/04/coastal-sage-scrub-amazing-concer… - having used the Google Translate machine translator. (WUaS is like Wikipedia with best STEM CC OpenCourseWare and planning to accredit on CC MIT OCW in 7 languages and CC Yale OYC for online free CC university degrees in all countries' main languages, as well as facilitate wiki schools for open teaching and learning in all 7,943 languages - and become a CC growth story for languages and the web). Best, Scott https://twitter.com/WorldUnivAndSch/status/727604810560606208 On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Ester Pantaleo <esterpantaleo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Thanks a lot Denny for your reply! I understand what you say. In any case, consider endorsing my proposal if you like, by writing a short comment in the endorsement section of the grant. That would help approval! But of course only if you feel like endorsing it. All the best, Ester On May 4, 2016 7:38 PM, "Denny Vrandečić" <vrandecic(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I think that is a great idea. But Wikidata is not suited yet a lexical knowledge base, and I think that would be a necessary precondition for your project. There is a project plan to make Wikidata suitable to be a lexical knowledge base: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development And I sure hope that we will hear soon how this will move forward :) On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 8:02 AM Ester Pantaleo <esterpantaleo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hello, I am writing to get some feedback on an IGE grant proposal <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/A_graphical_and_interactive_etymology_dictionary_based_on_Wiktionary> I submitted to Wikimedia that might be of interest to the Wikidata community as it aims at building a database from Wiktionary data. More specifically the aim of the project is to develop an interactive visualization for etymological relationships using dbnary's extraction-framework (for Wiktionary) http://kaiko.getalp.org/about-dbnary/ The data behind the visualization will consist of an RDF database of Wiktionary data (definition, part of speech, synonyms, etc) built using dbnary and a database of etymological relationships built using a custom code (to be integrated into dbnary) that translates Wiktionary textual etymology into a graph database of etymological relationships. A demo of my interactive visualization *etytree* is available here: http://www.epantaleo.com/2015/12/01/etymology-tree/ The visualization will present - in one graph - the etymology of all words deriving from the same ancestor. Users can expand/collapse the tree to visualize what they are interested in. The textual part attached to the graph can be easily translated in any language and the app would become a multilingual resource. I am writing to the Wikidata community because I would like to know if the Wikidata community thinks Wikidata could host this data. This project could help integrate dbnary into a Wikimedia environment and create a database from Wiktionary. In particular, the database of etymological relationships will be available for the community and can be used as a resource to study the history of languages, how pronunciation evolved through time, and eventually how semantics evolved through time. The link to the grant proposal is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/A_graphical_and_interactive_etym… Feedback is very welcome on the grant proposal page or on the talk page of the grant https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:IEG/A_graphical_and_interactive… Looking forward to read your comments. Thanks a lot! Ester Pantaleo _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

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Ester Pantaleo

20 May 20 May

3:38 p.m.

Thanks Jane for your interest in etytree and sorry for my slow reply. The plan is to create the output visualization on the fly from the database of etymological relationships using Vega <https://vega.github.io/vega/>, more precisely the Graph Extension <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Graph> and not to save a png file for each word. Hope this answers your question. Best, Ester Pantaleo On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Ester, This looks like a great idea and though I am a big fan of helpful maps as illustrations, generating a .png per word could be very burdensome. Could your software reside on Toollabs? I see uses for such visualizations with words on Wikidata, not only through the context of Wiktionary, but also in the Wikidata class tree (still mostly unconnected). Best, Jane On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Ester Pantaleo <esterpantaleo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hello, I am writing to get some feedback on an IGE grant proposal <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/A_graphical_and_interactive_etymology_dictionary_based_on_Wiktionary> I submitted to Wikimedia that might be of interest to the Wikidata community as it aims at building a database from Wiktionary data. More specifically the aim of the project is to develop an interactive visualization for etymological relationships using dbnary's extraction-framework (for Wiktionary) http://kaiko.getalp.org/about-dbnary/ The data behind the visualization will consist of an RDF database of Wiktionary data (definition, part of speech, synonyms, etc) built using dbnary and a database of etymological relationships built using a custom code (to be integrated into dbnary) that translates Wiktionary textual etymology into a graph database of etymological relationships. A demo of my interactive visualization *etytree* is available here: http://www.epantaleo.com/2015/12/01/etymology-tree/ The visualization will present - in one graph - the etymology of all words deriving from the same ancestor. Users can expand/collapse the tree to visualize what they are interested in. The textual part attached to the graph can be easily translated in any language and the app would become a multilingual resource. I am writing to the Wikidata community because I would like to know if the Wikidata community thinks Wikidata could host this data. This project could help integrate dbnary into a Wikimedia environment and create a database from Wiktionary. In particular, the database of etymological relationships will be available for the community and can be used as a resource to study the history of languages, how pronunciation evolved through time, and eventually how semantics evolved through time. The link to the grant proposal is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/A_graphical_and_interactive_etym… Feedback is very welcome on the grant proposal page or on the talk page of the grant https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:IEG/A_graphical_and_interactive… Looking forward to read your comments. Thanks a lot! Ester Pantaleo _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

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