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Bernardo Najlis

14 Nov 2012 14 Nov '12

4:02 p.m.

Hi Everyone, My name is Bernardo and I work as a Business Intelligence Consultant in Toronto, Canada. I've been reading pretty much everything about WikiData over the past few days, and I'm really excited about this project! I would love to participate and collaborate in developing tools to bring data from external sources, particularly the vast open data sets that are so common right now. I have some questions about the project and how can I participate, that you might be able to help me with: 1) I know the data import is planned for a future phase 2. Do you think it would be useful to start working on some of that now? 2) I also learned that you guys had a round table<http://wikidataroundtable.eventbrite.com/>on June 21 about this topic (wish I could have known about Wikidata and been there!) but I couldn't find what the outcome of that discussion was. Is there anywhere where I can find what was discussed there? 3) Is there anyone else on the list working on the subject of how to bring data in? I have some ideas on the subject, but again, don't know if this is too early in the project. Thanks, Bernardo Najlis CRM & Business Intelligence Consultant

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Marco Fleckinger

15 Nov 15 Nov

12:50 a.m.

Hi, Bernardo Najlis <b52.net(a)gmail.com> schrieb:

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My name is Bernardo and I work as a Business Intelligence Consultant in Toronto, Canada. I've been reading pretty much everything about WikiData over the past few days, and I'm really excited about this project! I would love to participate and collaborate in developing tools to bring data from external sources, particularly the vast open data sets that are so common right now.

First of all the priority lies on data already present on Wikipedia. Wikidata should not be a data storage for everything structured in the world, so we should first start to transfer data already present on Wikipedia to Wikidata. External data-sources will be interested as well and for sure but the purpose of wikidata is still cenralizing of what we already have.

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I have some questions about the project and how can I participate, that you might be able to help me with: 1) I know the data import is planned for a future phase 2. Do you think it would be useful to start working on some of that now?

At the moment I think there is nothing ready of this phase for beeing tested. You could participate here on discussing models for implementation.

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2) I also learned that you guys had a round table<http://wikidataroundtable.eventbrite.com/>on June 21 about this topic (wish I could have known about Wikidata and been there!) but I couldn't find what the outcome of that discussion was. Is there anywhere where I can find what was discussed there? 3) Is there anyone else on the list working on the subject of how to bring data in? I have some ideas on the subject, but again, don't know if this is too early in the project.

You got it, it is too early talking about data-bots. Phase 1 had just been released. Actually there are many use-cases I could think of. But there are many others for sure as well ;-) At the moment you could help fixing bugs, testing everything recently released (e.g. http://wikidata.org) Marco

Luca Martinelli

1:03 a.m.

2012/11/15 Marco Fleckinger <marco.fleckinger(a)wikipedia.at>at>:

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For the time being (i.e. until mid-2013), I assume. -- Luca "Sannita" Martinelli http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita

Gregor Hagedorn

1:22 a.m.

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A side remark, because I believe this needs some further discussion. I agree that Wikidata should be focusing on the kind of data Wikipedia has or which are suitable for Wikipedia. However, since the Wikipedia data are not systematically sourced (they may be unsourced or the source is only available in edit comments, talk page etc.), it will be very valuable to import relevant, sourced data that have the right scope. Gregor

Lydia Pintscher

3:16 p.m.

Hey Bernardo On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Bernardo Najlis <b52.net(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Have you already seen http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Data_collaborators ?

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It really depends on what you want to do right now. But the technical basis for actual data beyond language links isn't there yet so there isn't too much to do. People have already written bots to import language links that you might want to have a look at.

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2) I also learned that you guys had a round table on June 21 about this topic (wish I could have known about Wikidata and been there!) but I couldn't find what the outcome of that discussion was. Is there anywhere where I can find what was discussed there?

Hmm I seem to remember there was an etherpad. Anyone who was there got a link?

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3) Is there anyone else on the list working on the subject of how to bring data in? I have some ideas on the subject, but again, don't know if this is too early in the project.

A first step would be to define what data exactly you've got in mind and then get consensus in the community that this is something that is wanted. I think it's a bit too early still though for the latter. A real decision can probably only be made after the second phase has been in use for a bit by editors with real data. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

Lukas Benedix

17 Nov 17 Nov

8:24 p.m.

New subject: [Wikidata-l] Installing WikiData for testing and development

Hi, i tried to install a Mediawiki with Wikidata-Extension from scratch and I'm stuck at the first step when installing the UniversalLanguageSelector Extension. I get a 404 for http://upload.wikimedia.org/ext-dist/UniversalLanguageSelector-master-793df… Can anyone help me? Is there a working step-by-step instruction for installing WikiData? LG LB

Lydia Pintscher

19 Nov 19 Nov

4:52 p.m.

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On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Lukas Benedix <benedix(a)zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:

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Hi Lukas, Can you give me a link to where you found the link to the Universal Language Selector Extension? Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

Lukas Benedix

5:02 p.m.

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Hi, I started here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase and the link that leads to the 404 came from here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector LB Am 19.11.2012 16:52, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:

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On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Lukas Benedix <benedix(a)zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:

Hi Lukas, Can you give me a link to where you found the link to the Universal Language Selector Extension? Cheers Lydia

Daniel Kinzler

5:06 p.m.

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On 19.11.2012 17:02, Lukas Benedix wrote:

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Hi, I started here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase and the link that leads to the 404 came from here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector

Part of the problem may be that the extension distribution scripts have not yet been set up to work with git. For the old svg repository, we had an extension on mediawiki.org where you could select the extension and desired version, and would get a zip or tar archive. Many links still point that way, but it doesn't work for extensions in git (or at least not for all of them, I don't know the details). Anyway. ULS is still experimental and under heavy development, so there are no stable versions. You'll have to install it directly from git, and hope the current master branch works for you. @lydia: we should have an "install from gid" guide too... do we? -- daniel -- Daniel Kinzler, Softwarearchitekt Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.

Lydia Pintscher

5:10 p.m.

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On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:

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I don't think we do. We do have http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Setup that links to mediawiki.org among others. Lukas: Maybe you want to give the Vagrant setup linked there a try if you're still having trouble after Daniel's explanation? Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

Lukas Benedix

11 p.m.

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Am 19.11.2012 17:10, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:

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On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:

the vagrant-setup is almost working... I can open the client and the repo, but there is nothing in it... The instruction says: "Both repo and client contain the chemical elements as test data" LB

Bináris

20 Nov 20 Nov

1:36 a.m.

New subject: [Wikidata-l] Installing WikiData for testing and development

2012/11/19 Lukas Benedix <benedix(a)zedat.fu-berlin.de>

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the vagrant-setup is almost working... I can open the client and the repo, but there is nothing in it... The instruction says: "Both repo and client contain the chemical elements as test data"

I think this concerns to the central test database. Try http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/wiki/Q344 which is really an element. I would be surprised if any newly installed software contained actual data. -- Bináris

Lukas Benedix

7:19 a.m.

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2012/11/19 Lukas Benedix <benedix(a)zedat.fu-berlin.de>

the vagrant-setup is almost working... I can open the client and the repo, but there is nothing in it... The instruction says: "Both repo and client contain the chemical elements as test data"

I don't care about actual data. But the Wikidata-instance created by vagrant has no data at all and I have no idea how to create a new item.

Marco Fleckinger

9:50 a.m.

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On 11/20/2012 07:19 AM, Lukas Benedix wrote:

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2012/11/19 Lukas Benedix<benedix(a)zedat.fu-berlin.de>

[...] I have no idea how to create a new item.

Does [[Special:CreateItem]] work? Marco

Silke Meyer

11:01 a.m.

New subject: [Wikidata-l] Installing WikiData for testing and development

Hi Lukas,

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the vagrant-setup is almost working... I can open the client and the repo, but there is nothing in it... The instruction says: "Both repo and client contain the chemical elements as test data"

I don't care about actual data. But the Wikidata-instance created by vagrant has no data at all and I have no idea how to create a new item.

Sorry for this - puppet sometimes runs into a timeout problem. I hope to fix this today! Best, Silke -- Silke Meyer Systemadministratorin und Projektassistenz Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 260 http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

Lukas Benedix

1:49 p.m.

New subject: [Wikidata-l] Installing WikiData for testing and development

Am 20.11.2012 11:01, schrieb Silke Meyer:

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the vagrant-setup is almost working... I can open the client and the repo, but there is nothing in it... The instruction says: "Both repo and client contain the chemical elements as test data"

I don't care about actual data. But the Wikidata-instance created by vagrant has no data at all and I have no idea how to create a new item.

Sorry for this - puppet sometimes runs into a timeout problem. I hope to fix this today!

The Tipp from Marco worked for me. Maybe you can change add a link to http://127.0.0.1:8080/repo/wiki/Special:CreateItem to the description on github, that would reduce the confusion when someone follows the instructions and it seems not to work. btw: when creating a new item you could warn if someone wants to create an item with an already used label and maybe list the existing descriptions... that would reduce the number of duplicates LB

Marco Fleckinger

2:39 p.m.

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Hi Lukas, On 11/20/2012 01:49 PM, Lukas Benedix wrote:

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Am 20.11.2012 11:01, schrieb Silke Meyer: The Tipp from Marco worked for me.

nice!

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Maybe you can change add a link to http://127.0.0.1:8080/repo/wiki/Special:CreateItem to the description on github, that would reduce the confusion when someone follows the instructions and it seems not to work.

Try editing http://127.0.0.1:8080/repo/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar. There you can add [[Special:CreateItem]] to you Sidebar. Marco

Silke Meyer

6:27 p.m.

New subject: [Wikidata-l] Installing WikiData for testing and development

Hi! Just a short follow-up on Vagrant... * @Lukas, yes, I will add more links/an adapted Main Page with some instructions. * The import of test data into the client leads to problems. This shared vagrant directory is using a file system on which I can't modify permissions (e.g. for images). :( Hope to have a solution soon. Best Silke Am 20.11.2012 14:39, schrieb Marco Fleckinger:

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Hi Lukas, On 11/20/2012 01:49 PM, Lukas Benedix wrote:

Am 20.11.2012 11:01, schrieb Silke Meyer: The Tipp from Marco worked for me.

nice!

Try editing http://127.0.0.1:8080/repo/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar. There you can add [[Special:CreateItem]] to you Sidebar. Marco _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

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Lukas Benedix

6:51 p.m.

New subject: [Wikidata-l] Installing WikiData for testing and development

Hi, one more Question: I want to add some JavaScript to the Repo-Interface, where do I have to insert that? I found the 'PCR GUI Inserts'-Extension [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PCR_GUI_Inserts], but I dont think i realy need that, right? LB Am 20.11.2012 18:27, schrieb Silke Meyer:

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Hi Lukas, On 11/20/2012 01:49 PM, Lukas Benedix wrote:

Am 20.11.2012 11:01, schrieb Silke Meyer: The Tipp from Marco worked for me.

nice!

Marco Fleckinger

7:42 p.m.

New subject: [Wikidata-l] Installing WikiData for testing and development

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I want to add some JavaScript to the Repo-Interface, where do I have to insert that?

does [[User:<username>/common.js]] work? Marco

Guerillero Wikipedia

22 Nov 22 Nov

8 a.m.

New subject: [Wikidata-l] Installing WikiData for testing and development

yes it does On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Marco Fleckinger < marco.fleckinger(a)wikipedia.at> wrote:

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I want to add some JavaScript to the Repo-Interface, where do I have to

insert that? does [[User:<username>/common.js]] work?

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Lukas Benedix

18 Jan 18 Jan

11:48 p.m.

New subject: [Wikidata-l] Installing WikiData for testing and development

Hi, I tried to install it on a server after everything worked well in the vagrant-box. So i followed the instructions on http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Wikibase It worked until the update.php after adding require_once( "$IP/extensions/Wikibase/repo/Wikibase.php" ); to LocaleSettings.php I get this errors: http://pastebin.com/2MEY914X So I removed $wgSharedDB and$wgSharedPrefix from LocaleSettings and tried update.php again New Errors: PHP Notice: Constant CONTENT_MODEL_WIKIBASE_ITEM already defined in /var/www/mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase/repo/Wikibase.php on line 64 PHP Fatal error: Class 'Wikibase\Settings' not found in /var/www/mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase/repo/Wikibase.hooks.php on line 54 Can anyone help with installing a Wikidata-Repo for testing? LB Am 19.11.2012 17:10, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:

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On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:

Lukas Benedix

19 Jan 19 Jan

2:16 a.m.

New subject: [Wikidata-l] Installing WikiData for testing and development

The Problem was fixed with the help of User:Hoo man. The instruction said, that you have to install WikibaseLib before installing Wikibase. Obviously the lib is part of the Wikibase-Extension and adding it to the LocaleSettings.php results in the problems I had. I removed that line from the requirements. But you should have a look at the documentation. LB Am 18.01.2013 23:48, schrieb Lukas Benedix:

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Bernardo Najlis
Bináris
Daniel Kinzler
Gregor Hagedorn
Guerillero Wikipedia
Luca Martinelli
Lukas Benedix
Lydia Pintscher
Marco Fleckinger
Silke Meyer