Hi Biyanto,
I think discussing this in English will be hard, as it seems English
doesn't split out the different concepts...
Going by the French & German, Q315 (Langage \ Sprache) is the abstract
concept of language (the ability to convey concepts) and Q34770 (Langue \
Einzelsprachen) is "a language". So perhaps it would be more correct to say
that, for example, English is an instance of Q34770.
*However*, Q4536530 seems to also cover the abstract Langage concept, and
Q315 is marked as a subclass of Q4536530. It feels like we have three items
covering two concepts - but all three have articles in German so maybe
there's still another concept? Argh.
I think we need a (German-speaking?) linguist to sort this one out. Do we
have one on the list? :-)
Andrew.
On 13 June 2016 at 14:06, Biyanto Rebin <biyanto.rebin(a)wikimedia.or.id>
wrote:
Thank you Gerard,
I usually leave it empty for the language that I couldn't find.
Another question,
Wikidata have two different item for close term, language in Q315 and
language (in linguistics) in Q34770.
It's important thing because when I randomly check some of Wikidata using
Q315 or Q34770.
Any idea how to solve this problem?
2016-06-13 14:14 GMT+07:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:
>
> Hoi,
> The language committee agreed that recognised languages of the iso 639-3
> that indicate single languages may be used without asking on Wikidata.
All
> the rest is not covered and consequently needs
permission. A code like no
> for Norwegian is not accepted for instance (indicating both nn and nb).
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 13 June 2016 at 09:04, Biyanto Rebin <biyanto.rebin(a)wikimedia.or.id>
> wrote:
>>
>> What do you mean with permission? Is it regarding with Wikimedia
language
>> code? I usually left the ISO 693-3 code if I
couldn't find it.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> 2016-06-11 0:53 GMT+07:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:
>>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> When a language cannot be matched to an ISO-639-3 code, it is necessary
>>> to ask for permission from the Language Committee first.
>>> Thanks,
>>> GerardM
>>>
>>> On 10 June 2016 at 07:34, Biyanto Rebin
<biyanto.rebin(a)wikimedia.or.id>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I use the code that is made by Statistics Indonesia, it's in PDF
>>>> format. Unfortunately, Indonesian government's language body, likely
doesn't
>>>> have their own code. Some of language
in Indonesia still doesn't have
any
>>>> ISO 639-3.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> 2016-06-10 0:36 GMT+07:00 Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>> Hear hear !!
>>>>>
>>>>> For your information all languages with an ISO-639-3 code may be
>>>>> enabled on Wikidata. In time it will prove important for any and all
>>>>> languages to have many labels in their language.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9 June 2016 at 18:53, Andy Mabbett
<andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9 June 2016 at 05:42, Biyanto Rebin
>>>>>> <biyanto.rebin(a)wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > PS: I'm making WikiProjects Languages in Indonesia,
anyone who
want
>>>>>> > to join
>>>>>> > please let me know :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is great news, and deserving of its own thread. Subject
changed!
>>>
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>>>
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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