Hoi
Ask yourself what it is about.. It is about the Wikimania talks. What was
done is removing all the Wikimania talks without any discussion. There is a
policy about that and as a policy it failed miserably. The admins failed to
take the existing policy seriously and consequently the notions of
community are devalued. Why should this be any different for BLP and why
would we expect the arbitrary execution to be any different?
When people are notable because of their relation to other items, we create
items for them. Why should we have an exception for this. What has not
happened is that people were "outed". When an author of a talk was only
know by a nick, it was the nick that was used. Meta is a source, the
Wikimania website is a source so yes, there are credible sources.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 31 July 2016 at 15:44, <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I looked quickly at AN and it seems the issue is about
creating items
about Wikimedians who dont clearly meet the notability criteria.
Recreating items about users after they haved objected, is dangerous ground
to be walking on
Wikidata needs an accepted and enforced BLP.
I assume these items in question would fail the proposed BLP due to lack
of reliable source, if it was anything like reliable sources is defined on
Wikipedia.
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Living_people
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 19:47 Gerard Meijssen, <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
John it was documented on the Administrators noticeboard. The
"discussion" ran for over two weeks. I feel no need to identify the admin,
he is typically the kind of person I greatly admire. If anything I object
to the way admins do not take responsibility for what happens. If anything
the way this whole controversy transpired proves how little of a community
we are.
I have started and added a few items.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 31 July 2016 at 14:28, John Mark Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Which items, which admin, etc.
A little context would help.
If the items were appropriate, wait for the community to agree with you
before recreating them.
On 31 Jul 2016 17:50, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi.
Many items were created for Wikimania talks. They were created because
Wikimania talks represent the best practices of the Wikimedia projects. All
these talks were selected in a process to bring out the best our movement
has to offer in the many years Wikimania was held. All the persons who gave
these presentation are known by either their nick or their name as they
themselves identified them at the time of offering the presentation for
consideration/
For whatever reasons a Wikidata admin removed these items without any
discussion. In the discussion that followed other people presented the
arguments why there are no valid arguments for this deletion. A request was
made repeatedly to undelete the items involved.
Given the current state of affair there is little option but to
recreate these items. It must be noted that the current situation is
problematic on many levels. Among them it became clear that admins do as
they wish and are not held accountable for their actions. The only thing
asked is for the undeletion of items and some sober thought on what may be
expected of a Wikidata admin.
Thanks,
GerardM
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