sorry daniel for saying that, lydia is right on.

collegially yours - john

On 13.06.2012 16:15, Lydia Pintscher wrote:

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 7:41 PM,  <jmcclure@hypergrove.com> wrote:

Daniel - this distinction between facts vs claims -- is happy bullshit merely meant to calm the masses. A claim is a fact and a fact is a claim. It

It is not happy bullshit.

is the existence of PROVENANCE data in the Wikidata data model that distinguishes the two tools. Provenance data is at the heart of the web-of-trust, the top rung of the Internet architecture promulgated by the W3. So, if your view is that SMW is not for provenance data, while Wikidata is for provenance data, then how can I not conclude SMW is down-version? Why would I not toss SMW for Wikidata since they BOTH handle structured data?

I am not sure what you want to hear really. You seem to have made up
your mind. If you need provenance data for a specific use-case and SMW
doesn't give that to you then it might indeed not be a good fit for
that particular use-case. That doesn't make SMW useless in any way
however ;-)

BOTH share a property: namespace? BOTH share code modules? BOTH have data-input (cf Semantic Form Inputs)? BOTH have formatted output (cf Semantic Result Formats).    :(this is what I was trying to communicate to Lydia in another note) Provenance data certainly is important! It should be built in to an environment that rationalizes & integrates SMW, Dublin Core, and Topic Maps. See the [[meta:Wikitopics]] proposal for my first cut. You make an interesting statement, "SMW one day could utilize our new method of storing structured data directly, without wikitext, but using it's own, simpler data model." -- friend, this is messianic at best if not confirmation of my dark concerns

I think Daniel was talking about
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/ContentHandler by the
way. And if I remember correctly some of the SMW devs even said that
this would be useful to have for SMW. It isn't something we're
imposing on anyone but that can be very useful once done. It's one of
the ways were SMW can benefit from groundwork done for Wikidata. More
will probably come up.


Cheers
Lydia

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