I never said that it should not be possible to enter 'invalid' values.
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Lukas Benedix
<benedix(a)zedat.fu-berlin.de <mailto:benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de>> wrote:
The problem I see with this practice is that a user
doesn't get any
feedback
that he is entering 'invalid' values.
Btw. the notification should not look like this:
http://lbenedix.monoceres.uberspace.de/screenshots/8dqpasghc3_2013-11-23_11…
Am Sa 23.11.2013 02:42, schrieb Denny Vrandečić:
> Wait, you're changing the discussion from 'the software should not
> allow it' to 'there should be a popup telling you...'.
>
> The latter can be implemented by the community as additional
> JavaScript (I am not saying if this is a good idea. I am not a big fan
> of popups). The former is what I strongly advise against.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Lukas Benedix
> <benedix(a)zedat.fu-berlin.de <mailto:benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de>> wrote:
>
> Is it limiting your freedom, if a little popup comes up and tells
> you "maybe you should enter a positive integer here... if you
> insist on 123.45 press save, but the bots will come and revert
> your edit"
>
> Like a speed limit that is not limiting your freedom to speed, but
> maybe it reminds you to the consequences...
>
>
> Am Fr 22.11.2013 22:52, schrieb Denny Vrandečić:
>> So instead better to limit your freedom to express yourself in
>> the first place.
>>
>> I'd take the bot. At least in the history of the article it is
>> recorded that it was tried to enter 123.45 for a population, and
>> we can later figure out what was happening.
>>
>> Why not wait and see if this is really a problem? I wonder how
>> many such mistakes will ever be entered, besides "jokes" and
>> vandalism. And the latter is easier to catch if we don't require
>> the pranksters to use data that sounds correct. Do we have any
>> indication that contributors are being supported by a system that
>> doesn't let them enter negative numbers for populations?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Lukas Benedix
>> <benedix(a)zedat.fu-berlin.de <mailto:benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't want to feel like John Connor... hunted by a bot that
>> comes after my edits and reverts them only because I entered
>> 123.45 for a property that should be an integer.
>>
>>
>> Am Fr 22.11.2013 21:56, schrieb Denny Vrandečić:
>>> It is either obvious that they should be entering only
>>> integers or positive numbers, in which case such feedback
>>> isn't helpful, or it might end up being too restrictive
>>> again. Who tells me that a system like this won't get used
>>> in order to force cities to have a population of an integer
>>> bigger than 10,000?
>>>
>>> I understand the wish and desire to restrict user input, but
>>> I would like to remind everyone that Wikidata comes from the
>>> wiki side, which adheres more to the 'let's gather input and
>>> then verify it' than the 'let's make everyone give us
>>> correct input in the first place' side.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Helder .
>>> <helder.wiki(a)gmail.com <mailto:helder.wiki@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Lukas Benedix
>>> <benedix(a)zedat.fu-berlin.de
>>> <mailto:benedix@zedat.fu-berlin.de>> wrote:
>>> > The problem I see with this practice is that a user
>>> doesn't get any feedback
>>>
that he is entering
'invalid' values.
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Helder
>>>
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