david, i think you hit the major point here. at the end of the day it
is a document management problem, and the idea to recombine contents
is followed by some extensions, like books extension. would it make
sense to use wikidata for such tasks as well? i am not convinced that
it makes sense to go onto a sentence level, but paragraphs do imo make
sense. alone because e.g. the german wikipedia often stores an item in
a paragraph, what is stored in an article in the english wikipedia.
redirects are managed in de:wp, and there is no notion of storing
wrong redirects to cover typo's.
of course there are some wikidata purists, like jane and gerard, who
seem to be a little imprisoned in the original semantic mediawiki
notation that every entry needs to be an article. one may even
consider this opinion as correct in a greenfield approach where the
contents is created from scratch. but - unfortunately this is not the
case. wikidata came after wikipedia, and i consider it a fundamental
failure of wikidata to not address the issue.
rupert
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:03 AM, David Cuenca <dacuetu(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As Wikidata grows this problem will become more
significant. Using redirects
doesn't seem a sustainable approach, but it will be hard to find better ones
considering the number of people involved and the investment in the current
platform.
The biggest challenge will be to convince Wikipedians to break free of the
"article box". There is no reason to limit oneself to articles when there
can be smaller building blocks that can be recombined in different articles
with as much detail level as needed.
Maybe after Commons there should be also a "Wikidata for Wikipedia content",
where each article section or sentence is represented by an item that can be
displayed in several articles or translated into different languages.
Cheers,
Micru
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Derric Atzrott
<datzrott(a)alizeepathology.com> wrote:
Thought I'd throw in my opinion on the matter. After reading this thread
I think that I agree with the folks who believe that Wikidata items should
be able to specify a Wikipedia article that is a redirect as a sitelink to
Wikipedia.
Its by no means an ideal solution, but I can't see any problems that it
causes and I do see problems that it fixes. If there are problems /for
Wikidata/ that allowing Wikidata items to link to Wikipedia redirects
causes, I would be happy to hear them. I imagine someone likely tried
to point some out, but I just didn't quite grasp them.
Thank you,
Derric Atzrott
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