Yes. Point taken John. Wow. Thank goodness I use syntax highlighting #love... but still: Yikes. Here's the link to the page if anyone wants to dig around the madness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

I guess I see a difference between a casual editor wanting to update a piece of data that can be Ctrl+F searched for among a mass of information versus battling with P# Wikidata items amongst an endless sea of chronological elements and curly brackets. But that's just me.

re: this proposal

I think Putnik has been very patient with my concerns and in trying to answer questions. As have others. I really appreciate it. 

I am not satisfied, and the majority of my concerns will not be addressed. There do not seem to be solutions here that will make me happy. I will be interested to see how this proposal progresses.

Best,

- Erika

Erika Herzog

Wikipedia User:BrillLyle

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:12 PM, john cummings <mrjohncummings@gmail.com> wrote:

I think its important to make a distinction between what is easiest and what people are used to. Perhaps thinking about what new users would find easiest might be helpful.

Here is an example of a well developed infobox on English Wikipedia, I think that the knowledge needed to edit this is an unreasonable barrier for casual, new or even fairly experienced if less technical editors like myself.

{{about|the country|its largest island|Great Britain|other uses|United Kingdom (disambiguation)|and|UK (disambiguation)}}

{{pp-semi-indef}}

{{pp-move-indef}}

{{Use British English|date=April 2012}}

{{Use dmy dates|date=July 2016}}

{{Infobox country

| name =

 {{collapsible list

 |titlestyle=background:transparent;font-size:9pt;

 |title={{resize|11.5pt|{{nowrap|United Kingdom of Great}} {{nowrap|Britain and Northern Ireland}}}}

 |{{Infobox |subbox=yes |bodystyle=font-size:9pt;font-weight:normal;

 |rowclass1=mergedrow |label1=[[Cornish language|Cornish]]: |data1={{lang|kw|Rywvaneth Unys Breten Veur ha Kledhbarth Iwerdhon}}

 |rowclass2 =mergedrow |label2=[[Irish language|Irish]]: |data2={{lang|ga|Ríocht Aontaithe na Breataine Móire agus Thuaisceart Éireann}}

 |rowclass3=mergedrow |label3=[[Scots language|Scots]]: |data3={{lang|sco|Unitit Kinrick o Great Breetain an Northren Ireland}}

 |rowclass4=mergedrow |label4=[[Ulster Scots dialects|Ulster Scots]]:|data4={{lang|sco-UKN|Claught Kängrick o Docht Brätain an Norlin Airlann}}

 |rowclass5=mergedrow |label5=[[Scottish&nbsp;Gaelic]]: |data5={{lang|gd|Rìoghachd Aonaichte Bhreatainn is Èireann a Tuath}}

 |rowclass6=mergedrow |label6=[[Welsh language|Welsh]]: |data6={{lang|cy|Teyrnas Unedig Prydain Fawr a Gogledd Iwerddon}}

 }}

 }}

 | common_name = United Kingdom

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