Venezuela is electing a new president in about a week. I went ahead and switched the
Italian article to use the Wikidata property so we might be able to capture a good example
there.
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:24:49 +0200
From: psychoslave(a)culture-libre.org
To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org; wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties
Le 2013-04-08 15:54, Luca Martinelli a écrit :
2013/4/8 Mathieu Stumpf
<psychoslave(a)culture-libre.org>rg>:
Le 2013-04-08 15:02, Luca Martinelli a écrit :
What I tried to say is: we don't mind if we
go back in a page
history
and find a red link to a template, nobody cares, because we all
know
that a template has been deleted/substituted *for a reason* - that
we
even discussed for a VERY long time. What we DO care is that the
article has *right now* the correct data - and this will be easier
with Wikidata. I wouldn't have been its main sponsor in it.wp, if
it
wasn't for this.
When I look in the history, I want to see the data which where used
then :
there are the correct data of this history context. The "current"
page may
be automaticaly edited to match the current wikidata entries it
refers to,
but this changes should appears in the history, just like it's done
with
bots.
So, no, I don't care that the last revision of an article uses the
"correct
data", because "correct data" is an ambiguous term. What I hope to
see, is
that the last revision article uses the last revision of the
wikidata
entries it needs; or at least the value it had the last time that a
commit
was made to update this value. And when I look in the history, I
want to see
the value that the article used to use then. Otherwise it would be
history
counterfeiting.
Ok, I give up. Ask the devs to solve this problem, open a bug about
it, whatever.
Sorry, I didn't want to upset anyone.
For the records I *do not* see as a problem as of
now, since IMVHO
we've got other priorities to deal with - first of all: filling the
items with statements, and possibly completing the statements with
sources, in order to make the data on Wikidata usable on Wikipedia.
Ok, do you mean making a bug report on
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/
?
If so I would welcome any advise to make a bug report as relevant as
possible.
To my mind it would be realy like put the cart before the horse if we
began to feed articles with wikidata before we have a proper history
management. I understand the willing to be able to use this bright new
tool. I **do** share your exitement here. But if you take a step
backward, there's no urge to go into a situation possibly harmful for
the credibility of our "will to be reliable through transparency".
So, before I make a bug report, can anyone confirm me that as it is
today, wikidata invokation in previous revision of a page will fail to
provide the relevant data, that is, the data which was returned at the
time the revision was in use. More generaly, could developers/admins
confirm me that data update would not appear in the article history.
Because it seems to me that I saw such entries with the interlang
migration, so until now I supposed that any change in wikidata would
rise a new revision with a commit message in each article using this
data.
Kind regards,
mathieu
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