> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 08:46:41 +0200
> From: psychoslave@culture-libre.org
> To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties
>
> Le 2013-04-09 20:44, Michael Hale a écrit :
> > Venezuela is electing a new president in about a week. I went ahead
> > and switched the Italian article to use the Wikidata property so we
> > might be able to capture a good example there.
>
> Could you please provide the relevant URL?
>
> thank you :)
>
> >
> >> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:24:49 +0200
> >> From: psychoslave@culture-libre.org
> >> To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org; wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Page history and properties
> >>
> >> Le 2013-04-08 15:54, Luca Martinelli a écrit :
> >> > 2013/4/8 Mathieu Stumpf <psychoslave@culture-libre.org>:
> >> >> Le 2013-04-08 15:02, Luca Martinelli a écrit :
> >> >>
> >> >>> What I tried to say is: we don't mind if we go back in a page
> >> >>> history
> >> >>> and find a red link to a template, nobody cares, because we all
> >> >>> know
> >> >>> that a template has been deleted/substituted *for a reason* -
> >> that
> >> >>> we
> >> >>> even discussed for a VERY long time. What we DO care is that the
> >> >>> article has *right now* the correct data - and this will be
> >> easier
> >> >>> with Wikidata. I wouldn't have been its main sponsor in it.wp,
> >> if
> >> >>> it
> >> >>> wasn't for this.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> When I look in the history, I want to see the data which where
> >> used
> >> >> then :
> >> >> there are the correct data of this history context. The "current"
> >> >> page may
> >> >> be automaticaly edited to match the current wikidata entries it
> >> >> refers to,
> >> >> but this changes should appears in the history, just like it's
> >> done
> >> >> with
> >> >> bots.
> >> >>
> >> >> So, no, I don't care that the last revision of an article uses
> >> the
> >> >> "correct
> >> >> data", because "correct data" is an ambiguous term. What I hope
> >> to
> >> >> see, is
> >> >> that the last revision article uses the last revision of the
> >> >> wikidata
> >> >> entries it needs; or at least the value it had the last time that
> >> a
> >> >> commit
> >> >> was made to update this value. And when I look in the history, I
> >> >> want to see
> >> >> the value that the article used to use then. Otherwise it would
> >> be
> >> >> history
> >> >> counterfeiting.
> >> >
> >> > Ok, I give up. Ask the devs to solve this problem, open a bug
> >> about
> >> > it, whatever.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sorry, I didn't want to upset anyone.
> >>
> >> > For the records I *do not* see as a problem as of now, since IMVHO
> >> > we've got other priorities to deal with - first of all: filling
> >> the
> >> > items with statements, and possibly completing the statements with
> >> > sources, in order to make the data on Wikidata usable on
> >> Wikipedia.
> >>
> >> Ok, do you mean making a bug report on
> >> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/
> >> ?
> >> If so I would welcome any advise to make a bug report as relevant as
> >> possible.
> >> To my mind it would be realy like put the cart before the horse if
> >> we
> >> began to feed articles with wikidata before we have a proper history
> >> management. I understand the willing to be able to use this bright
> >> new
> >> tool. I **do** share your exitement here. But if you take a step
> >> backward, there's no urge to go into a situation possibly harmful
> >> for
> >> the credibility of our "will to be reliable through transparency".
> >>
> >> So, before I make a bug report, can anyone confirm me that as it is
> >> today, wikidata invokation in previous revision of a page will fail
> >> to
> >> provide the relevant data, that is, the data which was returned at
> >> the
> >> time the revision was in use. More generaly, could developers/admins
> >> confirm me that data update would not appear in the article history.
> >> Because it seems to me that I saw such entries with the interlang
> >> migration, so until now I supposed that any change in wikidata would
> >> rise a new revision with a commit message in each article using this
> >> data.
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >> mathieu
> >>
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