There is lots of excitement but I think that many of these discussions are missing the social aspects of this project and leading to many counterproductive suggestions (or atleast unrealistic use cases).
Creating a centralizing repository for Wikipdias data is both a social and technically challenge. It would contradict Information Architecture requirements to aggregate external data that is not immediately used in WMF projects. Doing so will quickly increase human workload (our most significant resource). Humans edit check and code…
WikiData’s mandate appears to e to improve en.Wikipedia (and then the other WMF projects). Producing a component that pushes data into Wikipedia will fail very quickly if the community norms are not catered for. En.Wikipedia has the most complex ones.
Notability criteria filters out lots of “spam/noise” external stake holders would put into WMF project. What you call encyclopedic is too imprecise. It would be easy to import all MuzicBrains + AllMovie guide entries as WikiData – but it would not make Wikipedia a better encyclopedia/information source to read/edit if we had a page for each record in those databases.
IMHO what editors would like is a quick and easy way to import and share such data amongst projects once it has been found Notable – but also be able to use per project versions. (English and Arabic Wikipedia info boxes name different cities as the capital of Israel).
1. Each project has its own criteria of Notability, since it requires its own noise filter.
2. Wiktionary’s is just as difficult as Wikipedia.
I suggest that newcomers try to study about how Wikipedia works so that we can have a more productive dialogue and WikiData will be accepted.
Oren Bochman
MediaWiki Search Developer.
From: wikidata-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikidata-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of emijrp
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2012/3/31 John Burger <john@jolelira.net>
On Mar 31, 2012, at 15:22, emijrp <emijrp@gmail.com> wrote:i all;
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> I'm thinking about notability in Wikidata and how it may conflict with Wikipedia current policies and community conceptions. Will Wikidata allow to create entities for small villages, asteroids, galaxies, stars, species, etc, that are not allowed today at Wikipedia? Including about those that don't have article in any Wikipedia?
Are you referring to the English Wikipedia's notability guidelines? I don't see why they would apply here, just as they don't apply to the English Wiktionary or the German Wikipedia. As far as I know, every Wikimedia project comes up with it's own guidelines. Are there any Wikimedia-wide guidelines?
There is no Wikipedia-wide guidelines about notability, just that content must be "encyclopedic".
On the other hand, as I understand it, Phase 1 of Wikidata is mostly about cataloging the union of all the Wikipedias, so if a concept is missing from =every= Wikipedia, I wonder if it will make the cut for Phase 1.
I mean Phase 2, where entities will be created. Can we create entities for 10,000,000 stars (using free data from observatories) that won't have own Wikipedia article in the foreseeable future, but would be useful to create "List of stars..." pages in Phase 3?
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