Hoi,
What is the point of your advise? What the language committee allows is one dimensional. Dialects are not granted a permit for labels. This only makes sense once we have dictionary functionality.
Thanks,
     GerardM

On 13 June 2016 at 18:30, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk> wrote:

Hi Biyanto,

I think discussing this in English will be hard, as it seems English doesn't split out the different concepts...

Going by the French & German, Q315 (Langage \ Sprache) is the abstract concept of language (the ability to convey concepts) and Q34770 (Langue \ Einzelsprachen) is "a language". So perhaps it would be more correct to say that, for example, English is an instance of Q34770.

*However*, Q4536530 seems to also cover the abstract Langage concept, and Q315 is marked as a subclass of Q4536530. It feels like we have three items covering two concepts - but all three have articles in German so maybe there's still another concept? Argh.

I think we need a (German-speaking?) linguist to sort this one out. Do we have one on the list? :-)

Andrew.

On 13 June 2016 at 14:06, Biyanto Rebin <biyanto.rebin@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
> Thank you Gerard,
> I usually leave it empty for the language that I couldn't find.
>
> Another question,
> Wikidata have two different item for close term, language in Q315 and
> language (in linguistics) in Q34770.
> It's important thing because when I randomly check some of Wikidata using
> Q315 or Q34770.
> Any idea how to solve this problem?
>
> 2016-06-13 14:14 GMT+07:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hoi,
>> The language committee agreed that recognised languages of the iso 639-3
>> that indicate single languages may be used without asking on Wikidata. All
>> the rest is not covered and consequently needs permission. A code like no
>> for Norwegian is not accepted for instance (indicating both nn and nb).
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 13 June 2016 at 09:04, Biyanto Rebin <biyanto.rebin@wikimedia.or.id>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What do you mean with permission? Is it regarding with Wikimedia language
>>> code? I usually left the ISO 693-3 code if I couldn't find it.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> 2016-06-11 0:53 GMT+07:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Hoi,
>>>> When a language cannot be matched to an ISO-639-3 code, it is necessary
>>>> to ask for permission from the Language Committee first.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> GerardM
>>>>
>>>> On 10 June 2016 at 07:34, Biyanto Rebin <biyanto.rebin@wikimedia.or.id>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I use the code that is made by Statistics Indonesia, it's in PDF
>>>>> format. Unfortunately, Indonesian government's language body, likely doesn't
>>>>> have their own code. Some of language in Indonesia still doesn't have any
>>>>> ISO 639-3.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> 2016-06-10 0:36 GMT+07:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>> Hear hear !!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For your information all languages with an ISO-639-3 code may be
>>>>>> enabled on Wikidata. In time it will prove important for any and all
>>>>>> languages to have many labels in their language.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9 June 2016 at 18:53, Andy Mabbett <andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9 June 2016 at 05:42, Biyanto Rebin
>>>>>>> <biyanto.rebin@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > PS: I'm making WikiProjects Languages in Indonesia, anyone who want
>>>>>>> > to join
>>>>>>> > please let me know :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is great news, and deserving of its own thread. Subject changed!
>>>>>>>
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