Hi Lydia,

'We' are people who committed professionally to the SMW (and Halo) approach to enterprise computing and 'we' are clients who have invested in this approach. We'll want to install wikidata-client along with smw to get at infobox data (if such is the ultimate design). We'll want to install wikidata-host to stay current with where all the investment dollars, the technical interest, etc, are flowing.

Yet you assert that smw & wikidata have different target groups (without defining either). However, I believe they are the SAME because their objectives are the same: to integrate structured data into the MW editing/display environment. There's not room for multiple implementations of tools with the same objective.

In short, my whole push is that, to be most successful, wikidata must consider the already-available or -installed base of technologies and tools. That's what reinventing the wheel is all about. It's why God took only 6 days to create the world -- there was no installed base to "accommodate".

john

On 13.06.2012 03:00, Lydia Pintscher wrote:

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:03 AM, <jmcclure@hypergrove.com> wrote:
Denny said: On the other hand, you are not the only person thinking that this (Wikitopics) is a good idea (hello Gerard!), and in the long run Wikidata could be extended to such a system -- but for now I regard this to be out of scope for Wikidata and I will not devote resources for this. It can be added later anyway. Denny, I never see the long-run! Anyway, to get real, be aware there are specific concerns about [[wikidata]] within the SMW community in the here and now:
Hey John,

It'd be great if you could say who "we" is specifically. I am happy to
discuss issues and find ways to fix them. "We" is making it seem like
it is the whole SMW community which I know isn't true ;-)
* we worry that our sites are threatened by virtual cessation of SMW development -- this may already be happening a bit as SMW subjectively seems to be encountering quality control issues lately
Ok. What can we do to fix this? SMW shouldn't be threatened by
Wikidata nor the other way around. They have different target groups
for one and can co-exist.
We are of course trying to share things like result formats in the future.
* we worry that, whenever we install the [[Wikidata]] extension, then the performance of client sites will be affected by the burden of multiple forms, query and format software modules, syntaxes, styles, artifacts etc
Wikidata will have to run on Wikipedia. A lot of work is being put
into performance and scalability. The performance impact on smaller
wikis should be bearable because of this.
* we worry that, since no specific problems experienced by wiki-users have yet been identified that [[Wikidata]] will "fix", in the end, [[wikidata]] is doomed for not creating stakeholders within the wiki-user community that includes SMW developers.
Wikidata will concentrate on Wikipedia and the problems it is trying
to solve have been laid out. SMW has its own target audience and that
is fine.


Cheers
Lydia

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