I think its important to make a distinction between what is easiest and what people are used to. Perhaps thinking about what new users would find easiest might be helpful.

Here is an example of a well developed infobox on English Wikipedia, I think that the knowledge needed to edit this is an unreasonable barrier for casual, new or even fairly experienced if less technical editors like myself.

{{about|the country|its largest island|Great Britain|other uses|United Kingdom (disambiguation)|and|UK (disambiguation)}}
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{{Use British English|date=April 2012}}
{{Use dmy dates|date=July 2016}}
{{Infobox country
| name =
 {{collapsible list
 |titlestyle=background:transparent;font-size:9pt;
 |title={{resize|11.5pt|{{nowrap|United Kingdom of Great}} {{nowrap|Britain and Northern Ireland}}}}
 |{{Infobox |subbox=yes |bodystyle=font-size:9pt;font-weight:normal;
 |rowclass1=mergedrow |label1=[[Cornish language|Cornish]]: |data1={{lang|kw|Rywvaneth Unys Breten Veur ha Kledhbarth Iwerdhon}}
 |rowclass2 =mergedrow |label2=[[Irish language|Irish]]: |data2={{lang|ga|Ríocht Aontaithe na Breataine Móire agus Thuaisceart Éireann}}
 |rowclass3=mergedrow |label3=[[Scots language|Scots]]: |data3={{lang|sco|Unitit Kinrick o Great Breetain an Northren Ireland}}
 |rowclass4=mergedrow |label4=[[Ulster Scots dialects|Ulster Scots]]:|data4={{lang|sco-UKN|Claught Kängrick o Docht Brätain an Norlin Airlann}}
 |rowclass5=mergedrow |label5=[[Scottish Gaelic]]: |data5={{lang|gd|Rìoghachd Aonaichte Bhreatainn is Èireann a Tuath}}
 |rowclass6=mergedrow |label6=[[Welsh language|Welsh]]: |data6={{lang|cy|Teyrnas Unedig Prydain Fawr a Gogledd Iwerddon}}
 }}
 }}
 | common_name = United Kingdom
 | linking_name = the United Kingdom <!--Note: "the" required here as this entry used to create wikilinks-->
 | image_flag = Flag of the United Kingdom.svg
 | alt_flag = A flag featuring both cross and saltire in red, white and blue
 | image_coat = Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom.svg
 | alt_coat = Coat of arms containing shield and crown in centre, flanked by lion and unicorn
 | symbol_type = {{nowrap|[[Royal coat of arms of the United Kingdom|Royal coat of arms]]{{#tag:ref |An alternative variant of the Royal coat of arms is used in Scotland: [[:File:Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom (Scotland).svg|[click to view image]]].|group="nb"}}<!--(end nowrap:)-->}}
 | symbol_width = 90px
 | national_anthem = {{nowrap|1="[[God Save the Queen]]"{{#tag:ref |There is no authorised version of the national anthem as the words are a matter of tradition; only the first verse is usually sung.<ref>{{cite web|title=National Anthem|url=https://www.royal.uk/national-anthem|website=Official web site of the British Royal Family|accessdate=4 June 2016}}</ref> No law was passed making "God Save the Queen" the official anthem. In the English tradition, such laws are not necessary; proclamation and usage are sufficient to make it the national anthem. "God Save the Queen" also serves as the [[Honors music|Royal anthem]] for certain [[Commonwealth realms]]. |group="nb"}} <div style="padding-top:0.4em;">[[File:United States Navy Band - God Save the Queen.ogg|center]]</div><!--(end nowrap:)-->}}
 | image_map = EU-United Kingdom.svg
 | alt_map = Two islands to the north-west of continental Europe. Highlighted are the larger island and the north-eastern fifth of the smaller island to the west.
 | map_caption = {{map_caption |countryprefix=the |country={{nobold|United&nbsp;Kingdom}} |location_color=dark green |region=Europe |region_color=dark grey |subregion=the [[European&nbsp;Union]] |subregion_color=green}}
 | languages_type = Official language<br />{{nobold|and national language}}
 | languages = [[English language|English]]<!---NOTE: Just English, don't add "British English"--->
 | languages2_type = Recognised regional<br />languages{{#tag:ref |Under the [[Council of Europe]]'s [[European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages]], Scots, Ulster Scots, Welsh, Cornish, Scottish Gaelic and Irish are officially recognised as [[Regional language|regional]] or [[Minority language|minority]] languages by the [[Government of the United Kingdom|British government]] for the purposes of the Charter.<ref name="reglang">{{cite web |url= http://conventions.coe.int/treaty/Commun/ListeDeclarations.asp?CL=ENG&NT=148&VL=1 |title=List of declarations made with respect to treaty No. 148 |publisher=[[Council of Europe]] |accessdate=12 December 2013}}</ref> See also [[Languages of the United Kingdom]]. |group="nb"<!--(end #tag:)-->}}
 | languages2 = {{hlist|list_style=line-height:1.3em;|item_style=white-space; |[[Scots language|Scots]]|[[Ulster Scots dialects|Ulster&nbsp;Scots]]|[[Welsh language|Welsh]]|[[Cornish language|Cornish]]|[[Scottish&nbsp;Gaelic]]<!--Keep "Scottish Gaelic"; people will find "Gaelic" confusing, as the Irish language is also commonly called "Gaelic"-->|[[Irish language|Irish]]}}
 | ethnic_groups = {{ublist|list_style=line-height:1.3em; |class=nowrap |87.1% [[White people|White]] |7.0% [[British Asian|Asian]] |3.0% [[Black British|Black]] |2.0% [[Mixed (United Kingdom ethnicity category)|Mixed]] |0.9% others}}
 | ethnic_groups_year = [[United Kingdom Census 2011|2011]]
 | demonym = {{hlist|[[British people|British]] | Briton}}
 | capital = [[London]]
 | latd=51 |latm=30 |latNS=N |longd=0 |longm=7 |longEW=W
 | largest_city = capital
 | government_type = [[Unitary state|Unitary]] [[Parliamentary system|parliamentary]] [[constitutional monarchy]]
 | leader_title1 = [[Monarchy of the United Kingdom|Monarch]]
 | leader_name1 = {{nowrap|[[Elizabeth II]]}}
 | leader_title2 = [[Prime Minister of the United Kingdom|Prime Minister]]
 | leader_name2 = [[Theresa May]]
 | legislature = [[Parliament of the United Kingdom|Parliament]]
 | upper_house = {{nowrap|[[House of Lords]]}}
 | lower_house = {{nowrap|[[House of Commons of the United Kingdom|House of Commons]]}}
 | sovereignty_type = [[History of the formation of the United Kingdom|Formation]]
 | established_event1 = [[Laws in Wales Acts 1535 and 1542|Laws in Wales Acts]]
 | established_date1 = {{nowrap|1535 and 1542}}
 | established_event2 = [[Union of the Crowns]] under [[James VI and I|James, King of Scots]]
 | established_date2 = {{nowrap|24 March 1603}}
 | established_event3 = [[Acts of Union of England and Scotland]]
 | established_date3 = {{nowrap|1 May 1707}}
 | established_event4 = [[Acts of Union of Great Britain and Ireland]]
 | established_date4 = {{nowrap|1 January 1801}}
 | established_event5 = [[Irish Free State Constitution Act 1922|Irish Free State Constitution Act]]
 | established_date5 = {{nowrap|5 December 1922}}
 | EUseats = 78
 | area_rank = 78th
 | area_magnitude = 1 E11
 | area_km2 = 242495
 | area_sq_mi = 93628
 | area_footnote = <ref>{{Cite journal|url=http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dyb2012/Table03.pdf|format=PDF|title=Demographic Yearbook – Table 3: Population by sex, rate of population increase, surface area and density|publisher=United Nations Statistics Division|year=2012|accessdate=9 August 2015}}</ref>
 | percent_water = 1.34
 | population_estimate_rank = 22nd
 | population_estimate = 65,110,000<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates|title=Population estimates - Office for National Statistics U.K.|work=www.ons.gov.uk}}</ref>
 | population_census = 63,181,775<ref name="pop_census">{{cite web |url=http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/census/2011/uk-census/index.html |title=2011 UK censuses |publisher=Office for National Statistics |accessdate=17 December 2012}}</ref>
 | population_estimate_year = 2016
 | population_census_year = 2011
 | population_census_rank = 22nd
 | population_density_km2 = 255.6
 | population_density_sq_mi = 661.9
 | population_density_rank = 51st
 | GDP_PPP_year = 2015
 | GDP_PPP = {{nowrap|$2.679 trillion}}
 | GDP_PPP_rank = 9th
 | GDP_PPP_per_capita = $41,159<ref name=IMF>{{cite web|url=http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2016/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2014&ey=2021&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=112&s=NGDP_R%2CNGDP_RPCH%2CNGDP%2CNGDPD%2CNGDP_D%2CNGDPRPC%2CNGDPPC%2CNGDPDPC%2CNGAP_NPGDP%2CPPPGDP%2CPPPPC%2CPPPSH%2CPPPEX&grp=0&a=&pr.x=91&pr.y=9|title=Report for Selected Countries and Subjects|work=World Economic Outlook Database|date=April 2016|publisher=International Monetary Fund|accessdate=15 April 2016}}</ref>
 | GDP_PPP_per_capita_rank = 25th
 | GDP_nominal_year = 2015
 | GDP_nominal_rank= 5th
 | GDP_nominal_per_capita = $43,771<ref name="IMF"/>
 | GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank = 13th
 | GDP_nominal = {{nowrap|$2.849 trillion}}<!--NOTE: Do no update with 2016 "IMF staff estimates", wait until actual data is published-->
 | Gini_year = 2014
 | Gini_change = decrease
 | Gini = 31.6
 | Gini_ref =<ref name="eurogini">{{cite web |title=Gini coefficient of equivalised disposable income (source: SILC) |url=http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/show.do?dataset=ilc_di12 |publisher=Eurostat Data Explorer |accessdate=11 November 2015}}</ref>
 | Gini_rank = 33rd
 | HDI_year = 2014 <!-- Please use the year to which the data refers, not the publication year-->
 | HDI_change = increase <!-- increase / decrease / steady -->
 | HDI = 0.907 <!--number only, between 0 and 1-->
 | HDI_ref =<ref name="HDI">{{cite web |url=http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/hdr_2015_statistical_annex.pdf |title=2015 Human Development Report |date=14 December 2015 |accessdate=14 December 2015 }}</ref>
 | HDI_rank = 14th
 | currency = [[Pound&nbsp;sterling]]<ref group="nb">Some of the devolved countries, Crown dependencies and British Overseas Territories issue their own sterling banknotes or currencies, or use another nation's currency. See [[List of British currencies]] for more information</ref>
 | currency_code = GBP{{))!}}; {{!((}}Pound sign{{!}}£
 | time_zone = [[Greenwich Mean Time|GMT]]<ref group="nb">This excludes some of the UK's dependencies. See [[Time in the United Kingdom#British territories]]</ref>
 | utc_offset = &#8203;<!--NOTE: Please do not remove. This is a blank character entity so that the infobox displays "UTC" without a specified offset.-->
 | time_zone_DST = [[British Summer Time|BST]]
 | utc_offset_DST = +1
 | date_format = dd/mm/yyyy&nbsp;([[Anno Domini|AD]])
 | drives_on = left
 | calling_code = [[Telephone numbers in the United Kingdom|+44]]<ref group="nb">[[Telephone numbers in the United Kingdom#Telephone numbers in Overseas Territories|Excludes most overseas territories]]</ref>
 | cctld = [[.uk]]<ref group="nb">The [[.eu]] domain is also used, as it is shared with other European Union member states. [[Template:UK top-level domains|Other TLDs are used regionally]]</ref>
 <!--| national_motto = | religion = | footnotes = -->
}}

On 4 August 2016 at 17:48, Scott MacLeod <worlduniversityandschool@gmail.com> wrote:
If an easy-to-use Citation Reference Toolbar form emerges as you'd like in a Wikipedia infobox proposal, Erika (and Wikidatans), I wonder, and am asking how, in general, it could code for all 358 languages in Wikipedia/Wikidata with translation (and anticipate all 8k languages with unicode eventually)? Also how could folks write apps on this to create referencing programs for a academic papers (e.g. in the Chicago Manual of Style style, or the American Chemical Engineering citation style - or in similar styles in Japanese or Swedish? - there are possibly 10s of thousands of these citation styles in many languages in many academic disciplines).

Dario shared this 2 days ago - http://allourideas.org/wikidata/results - and it's good to see that a "Wizard-style dialog for entering references" in 9 out of 10 on a list of "What's the one thing you wish Wikidata had or would do but doesn't yet?"

... all in a little info box bridge between wiki and wikidata ... 'tis a lot to ask of a little info box :)

Thanks, 
Scott


On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Brill Lyle <wp.brilllyle@gmail.com> wrote:
Because this proposal involves depreciating the infobox to Wikipedia -- my biggest concern -- I changed my endorsement to Weak Support but under no circumstances implement on English Wikipedia. I think it would be a very bad approach.

The Danish examples seemed more ideal, which was why I changed to Support.

I also really don't like this sequential list of elements. The faceted element=value relationship is gone, and adding Wikidata numbers to Wikipedia is very backwards.

Again, I would like this proposal to involve creating a form (in Wiki Markup) that is filled in like with the Cite RefToolbar -- see https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RefToolbar-URL-autofill.png -- minus the lookups....

I am not seeing a value add to this proposal's implementation. The barriers to entry for editors is very high.

- Erika



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