Hoi,
As you may have noticed there are other people on the CC..
The "not invented here" refers to much of the Wiki world.. things get done but much is done over and over again EVEN when cooperation is easy and obvious. I have largely resigned myself to it, it is probably part of our persona. However, it is not in the best interest of our users.
The people I originally wrote to are more DBpedia ... and very much Wikimedia as well. I do not remember that DBpedia has a live component, love to learn more..
I do know how much the DBpedia people want to reach out and connect in any positive way with both Wikipedia and Wikidata. It is something that would work wonders because it can speed up the addition of new properties, the import of wholesale data AND it may have us add the processes they have build to curate the data.
<grin> and additional point would be that we include some academia at the same time </grin>
Thanks,
GerardM
On 26 August 2013 15:27, Kingsley Idehen
<kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
On 8/26/13 4:34 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Two things to consider; the Wikipedia community and the Wikidata community are two separate entities. As far as I am concerned, Wikidata needs more data to get to the tipping point where it becomes useful to users. I am really vocal about both.
The license has traditionally been a sticking point and the "not invented here" aspect of DBpedia is as well.
What is this "not invented here" aspect of DBpedia?
You are effectively outside the Wikipedia community.. The other part is that the data of Wikidata is continually updated while DBpedia is not.
What do you mean by that? Are you referring to schema/ontology/vocabulary evolution or instance data evolution? Remember, there are live editions of DBpedia.
So in my opinion the best thing that can happen is when DBpedia DOES update with Wikidata. The point is not to absorb it without thinking.
Yes, the first point of clarity would be when Wikidata produces a dump that can be ingested by DBpedia and any other data space in the LOD cloud. All that's required is data publication in Linked Data form.
What DBpedia has is a set of properties that work on the data that it has gleaned from the many Wikipedias. There is undoubtedly a lot of documentation on it and, it would be good when this is taken into consideration when accepting and proposing new properties for Wikidata. Obviously only the properties that are currently supported can be proposed at this time. I am quite willing to propose properties based on DBpedia (but so can you).
With the properties in place, we can import data. We can import it from both DBpedia and from Wikipedia. Sanity checks are needed for both sources and as far as I am aware we do not have sanity checks at Wikidata.
What we do have is the possibility to compare data with other sources and that is where the Wikidata community needs to grow and that is why we need much data in the first place in order to get into this. However, we can start building the tools to do this. I hope the DBpedia community can help us with that.
Thanks,
GerardM
As far as I know, DBpedia has always been interested in collaboration with Wikidata.
Kingsley
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