I agree and find the whole idea to be just ridiculously overly ambitious for all the reasons Gerard has mentioned. In fact, I have to always click on both QIDs and the PIDs in Wikidata just to make sure I have the proper one, so why would I not do that from Wikipedia while developing a template? PID names may or may not be unique, but what has not even come up here is that their names are also the names of many QIDs. As more properties and items are added, this will only increase and the whole point of assigning numbers is to make life easier for everybody, including those languages that have not filled in the labels of QIDs and PIDs yet.

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Derric Atzrott <zellfaze@zellfaze.org> wrote:
I'm also of the opinion that this whole problem seems pretty easily solved by just using the PID numbers.  If the only folk who will, in practice, make use of this functionality are template developers, it seems to me that they should be able to look up the PID numbers.  I like the idea of using substitution to do the initial lookup for them.

While I think that being able to reference properties by name in Wikitext would be nice, I'm not convinced its currently worth it.

Thank you,
Derric Atzrott

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 2:43 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi,
The drawbacks are that you make assumptions about languages. Also having localised names prevents the copying of functionality from one to the other. So I would not use it, I would show a localised name and its desctription but store the property identifier. Text in this is a service not to be relied upon.
Thanks,
     GerardM

On 12 July 2015 at 00:35, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinzler@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Am 11.07.2015 um 23:21 schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
> Hoi,
> If none of this is visible to users, the whole point of names of properties are
> senseless. Why have them in the first place and prevent this whole issue by
> using the property identifier itself.

So, being able to use a localized name to refer to a property in wikitext is not
useful?


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