What is the point of Wiktionary, WIkipedia, Wikispecies et al as a WMF
project? Like Wikidata they all help us share in the sum of all knowledge.
Wikidata already provides an application in being the vehicle for
The low hanging fruit of Wikidata is not sharing info in templates, it is
in providing search results where a Wikipedia does NOT have an article. It
is used for this and it does have a measurable impact. It is "nice" to
have the ambition to share data in templates but be realistic. The quality
of the data in Wikidata does not merit this at this time. The "community"
insists on sources and frankly it is assassine to expect that in the first
few years it will be available near the level that some "demand". This is
only based on the data that is there. That is the next problem we do not
have enough data. We are still at the stage where we are harvesting data
for the first time. Harvesting big amounts, not one item at a time.
It is important to have goals, and it is nice that at the start providing
data to templates was seen as an initial goal. However it will not be like
with Pallas Athena when she came from the head of Zeus in full armour. This
goal is achievable and we are making big strides in that direction BUT we
need smaller goals, small applications that grow our content in both
quality and quantity. As I wrote on my blog, we need to think in terms of
confidence in our data and not so much in sources. Amir is finishing a tool
that will allow us to compare data for "humans" in the English, German and
Italian Wikipedia. That will be a massive step in the right direction.
I care about Wikidata and I know that at this time those freakingly hard
templates are the least of our worries. More problematic is that people
think of Wikidata as a service product for Wikipedia and limit their
thinking to templates. The existing search extension with WDQ is there. It
works really well. It is dismissed probably because it demonstrates that
ALL Wikipedias cover less than 50% of the subjects known to us. We know all
of them because of Wikidata.
So yeah by all means blow the horn about our aspiration of servicing
templates in those projects that can handle this. It is fine. It is not
realistic and even counter productive as an aspiration when we do not
appreciate the reality as we have it at this time.
On 18 August 2014 14:41, Luca Martinelli <martinelliluca(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2014-08-17 17:00 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen
Importing data from Wikidata (where do you want it??) is just one
application. There are so many potential applications for structured data
and Wikidata implicitly covers the sum of all knowledge as we know it (in
the Wikimedia projects) so there are opportunities galore.
For people "not to know how to" is a given. I do not care to know about
Wikipedia templates because they are freaking impossibly hard.
Yet, if we don't use the Wikidata data in the "freaking impossibly
hard" Wikipedia templates, what is the point of Wikidata as a
I remember that this project had among its first goals to help
disseminate structured data on all Wikimedia projects, in order to
relieve the less-crowded WMF projects of their burden in managing such
data and to let their few users focus on writing/translating/expanding
their articles. Now, if we don't show to people on the WMF project -
even the bigger ones - that Wikidata IS useful by helping them in
retrieving these data, what is the point of this project?
"There are so many potential application", I know, yet THIS IS ONE OF
THEM -- and in my personal and humble opinion a damn important one.
Luca "Sannita" Martinelli
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