@Andra Waagmester: I am a little disconcerted by the property P288 "exact match". I see it is mostly used to link entities, not properties, and I can't figure out how it differs from an external id (unless it's just a convenient way of linking concepts to databases that do not have an external id in Wikidata?)



On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 at 15:55, Peter F. Patel-Schneider <pfpschneider@gmail.com> wrote:
It is indeed helpful to link the Wikidata ontologies to other ontologies,
particularly ones like the DBpedia ontology and the schema.org ontology.
There are already quite a few links from the Wikidata ontology to several
other ontologies, using the Wikidata equivalent class and property properties.
 Going through and ensuring that every class and property, for example, in the
DBpedia ontology or the schema.org ontology is the target of a correct (!)
link would be useful.   Then, as you indicate, it is not so hard to query
Wikidata using the external ontology or map Wikidata information into
information in the other ontology.


The Wikidata ontology is much larger (almost two million classes) and much
more fine grained than most (or maybe even all) other general-purpose
ontologies.  This is appealing as one can be much more precise in Wikidata
than in other ontologies.  It does make Wikidata harder to use (correctly)
because to represent an entity in Wikidata one has to select among many more
alternatives.

This selection is harder than it should be.  The Wikidata ontology is not well
organized.  The Wikidata ontology has errors in it.  There is not yet a good
tool for visualizing or exploring the ontology (although there are some useful
tools such as https://tools.wmflabs.org/bambots/WikidataClasses.php and
http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tree.html).

So it is not trivial to set up good mappings from the Wikidata ontology to
other ontologies.   When setting up equivalences one has to be careful to
select the Wikidata class or property that is actually equivalent to the
external class or property as opposed to a Wikidata class or property that
just happens to have a similar or the same label.  One also has to be
similarly careful when setting up other relationships between the Wikidata
ontology and other ontologies.   As well, one has to be careful to select good
relationships that have well-defined meanings.  (Some SKOS relationships are
particuarly suspect.)  I suggest using only strict generalization and
specialization relationships.


So I think that an effort to completely and correctly map several external
general-purpose ontologies into the Wikidata ontology would be something for
the Wikidata community to support.  Pick a few good external ontologies and
put the needed effort into adding any missing mappings and checking the
mappings that already exist.   Get someone or some group to commit to keeping
the mapping up to date.  Announce the results and show how they are useful.


Peter F. Patel-Schneider
Nuance Communications


On 9/22/18 4:28 AM, Maarten Dammers wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Last week I presented Wikidata at the Semantics conference in Vienna (
> https://2018.semantics.cc/ ). One question I asked people was: What is keeping
> you from using Wikidata? One of the common responses is that it's quite hard
> to combine Wikidata with the rest of the semantic web. We have our own private
> ontology that's a bit on an island. Most of our triples are in our own private
> format and not available in a more generic, more widely use ontology.
>
> Let's pick an example: Claude Lussan. No clue who he is, but my bot seems to
> have added some links and the item isn't too big. Our URI is
> http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q2977729 and this is equivalent of
> http://viaf.org/viaf/29578396 and
> http://data.bibliotheken.nl/id/thes/p173983111 . If you look at
> http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q2977729.rdf this equivalence is represented as:
> <wdtn:P214 rdf:resource="http://viaf.org/viaf/29578396"/>
> <wdtn:P1006 rdf:resource="http://data.bibliotheken.nl/id/thes/p173983111"/>
>
> Also outputting it in a more generic way would probably make using it easier
> than it is right now. Last discussion about this was at
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P1921 , but no response since June.
>
> That's one way of linking up, but another way is using equivalent property (
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1628 ) and equivalent class (
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1709 ). See for example sex or gender
> ( https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P21) how it's mapped to other
> ontologies. This won't produce easier RDF, but some smart downstream users
> have figured out some SPARQL queries. So linking up our properties and classes
> to other ontologies will make using our data easier. This is a first step.
> Maybe it will be used in the future to generate more RDF, maybe not and we'll
> just document the SPARQL approach properly.
>
> The equivalent property and equivalent class are used, but not that much. Did
> anyone already try a structured approach with reporting? I'm considering
> parsing popular ontology descriptions and producing reports of what is linked
> to what so it's easy to make missing links, but I don't want to do double work
> here.
>
> What ontologies are important because these are used a lot? Some of the ones I
> came across:
> * https://www.w3.org/2009/08/skos-reference/skos.html
> * http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/
> * http://schema.org/
> * https://creativecommons.org/ns
> * http://dbpedia.org/ontology/
> * http://vocab.org/open/
> Any suggestions?
>
> Maarten
>
>
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