Yes, you're touching exactly on the problems I had
during the evaluation -
I couldn't even figure out what DBpedia is. Thanks, your help will be
very much appreciated.
OK, I will send a link the week after the next, and then we can start
working on it :) I am very much looking forward to it.
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 10:11 AM Sebastian Hellmann <
hellmann(a)informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote:
Na, I am quite open, albeit impulsive. The
information given was quite
good and some of my concerns regarding the involvement of Google were also
lifted or relativized. Mainly due to the fact that there seems to be a
sense of awareness.
I am just studying economic principles, which are very powerful. I also
have the feeling that free and open stuff just got a lot more commercial
and I am still struggling with myself whether this is good or not. Also
whether DBpedia should become frenemies with BigTech. Or funny things like
many funding agencies try to push for national sustainability options, but
most of the time, they suggest to use the GitHub Platform. Wikibase could
be an option here.
I have to apologize for the Knowledge Graph Talk thing. I was a bit
grumpy, because I thought I wasted a lot of time on the Talk page that
could have been invested in making the article better (WP:BE_BOLD style),
but now I think, it might have been my own mistake. So apologies for
lashing out there.
(see comments below)
On 20.09.19 17:53, Denny Vrandečić wrote:
Sebastian,
"I don't want to facilitate conspiracy theories, but ..."
"[I am] interested in what is the truth behind the truth"
I am sorry, I truly am, but this *is* the language I know from conspiracy
theorists. And given that, I cannot imagine that there is anything I can
say that could convince you otherwise. Therefore there is no real point for
me in engaging with this conversation on these terms, I cannot see how it
would turn constructive.
The answers to many of your questions are public and on the record.
Others tried to point you to them (thanks), but you dismiss them as not
fitting your narrative.
So here's a suggestion, which I think might be much more constructive and
forward-looking:
I have been working on a comparison of DBpedia, Wikidata, and Freebase
(and since you've read my thesis, you know that's a thing I know a bit
about). Simple evaluation, coverage, correctness, nothing dramatically
fancy. But I am torn about publishing it, because, d'oh, people may (with
good reasons) dismiss it as being biased. And truth be told - the simple
fact that I don't know DBpedia as well as I know Wikidata and Freebase
might indeed have lead to errors, mistakes, and stuff I missed in the
evaluation. But you know what would help?
You.
My suggestion is that I publish my current draft, and then you and me
work together on it, publically, in the open, until we reach a state we
both consider correct enough for publication.
What do you think?
Sure, we are doing statistics at the moment as well. It is a bit hard to
define what DBpedia is nowadays as we are rebranding the remixed datasets,
now that we can pick up links and other data from the Databus. It might not
even be a real dataset anymore, but glue between datasets focusing on the
speed of integration and ease of quality improvement. Also still working on
the concrete Sync Targets for GlobalFactSync (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/DBpedia/GlobalFactSyncRE)
as well.
One question I have is whether Wikidata is effective/efficient or where
it is effective and where it could use improvement as a chance for
collaboration.
So yes any time.
-- Sebastian
Cheers,
Denny
P.S.: I am travelling the next week, so I may ask for patience
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 8:11 AM Thad Guidry <thadguidry(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for sharing your opinions, Sebastian.
Cheers,
Thad
https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 9:43 AM Sebastian Hellmann <
hellmann(a)informatik.uni-leipzig.de> wrote:
Hi Thad,
On 20.09.19 15:28, Thad Guidry wrote:
With my tech evangelist hat on...
Google's philanthropy is nearly boundless when it comes to the
promotion of knowledge. Why? Because indeed it's in their best interest
otherwise no one can prosper without knowledge. They aggregate knowledge
for the benefit of mankind, and then make a profit through advertising ...
all while making that knowledge extremely easy to be found for the world.
I am neither pro-Google or anti-Google per se. Maybe skeptical and
interested in what is the truth behind the truth. Google is not synonym to
philanthropy. Wikimedia is or at least I think they are doing many things
right. Google is a platform, so primarily they "aggregate knowledge for
their benefit" while creating enough incentives in form of accessibility
for users to add the user's knowledge to theirs. It is not about what
Google offers, but what it takes in return. 20% of employees time is also
an investment in the skill of the employee, a Google asset called Human
Capital and also leads to me and Denny from Google discussing whether
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Knowledge_Graph is content
marketing or knowledge (@Denny: no offense, legit arguments, but no agenda
to resolve the stalled discussion there). Except I don't have 20% time to
straighten the view into what I believe would be neutral, so pushing it
becomes a resource issue.
I found the other replies much more realistic and the perspective is
yet unclear. Maybe Mozilla wasn't so much frenemy with Google and got
removed from the browser market for it. I am also thinking about Linked
Open Data. Decentralisation is quite weak, individually. I guess spreading
all the Wikibases around to super-nodes is helpful unless it prevents the
formation of a stronger lobby of philanthropists or competition to BigTech.
Wikidata created some pressure on DBpedia as well (also opportunities), but
we are fine since we can simply innovate. Others might not withstand.
Microsoft seems to favor OpenStreetMaps so I am just asking to which degree
Open Source and Open Data is being instrumentalised by BigTech.
Hence my question, whether it is compromise or be removed. (Note that
states are also platforms, which measure value in GDP and make laws and
roads and take VAT on transactions. Sometimes, they even don't remove
opposition.)
--
All the best,
Sebastian Hellmann
Director of Knowledge Integration and Linked Data Technologies (KILT)
Competence Center
at the Institute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) at Leipzig University
Executive Director of the DBpedia Association
Projects:
http://dbpedia.org,
http://nlp2rdf.org,
http://linguistics.okfn.org,
https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt
<http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt>
Homepage:
http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann
Research Group:
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All the best,
Sebastian Hellmann
Director of Knowledge Integration and Linked Data Technologies (KILT)
Competence Center
at the Institute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) at Leipzig University
Executive Director of the DBpedia Association
Projects:
http://dbpedia.org,
http://nlp2rdf.org,
http://linguistics.okfn.org,
https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt
<http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt>
Homepage:
http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann
Research Group:
http://aksw.org
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