We have also other properties on Wikidata to refine
partial knowledge
about the chronology of a life :
I found myself sometimes using a century precision date for somebody we
don’t really have information about the date of death but know it lived on
some century.
Le ven. 20 sept. 2019 à 00:25, Olaf Simons <olaf.simons(a)pierre-marteau.com>
a écrit :
On FactGrid we created two properties for this
(maybe clever, maybe
daft): P290 and P291 for estimates (or for knowledge) of an earliest and
latest point in the life span. The necessity is here that we have loads of
people with just a single data point like "studied in Jena in 1776" or
"appeared on a list of voters in 1849". If that is all you know, you do
actually know that the person is likely to have a birth date some 17 (or in
the voters case at least 21) years before.
If a person is only once mentioned as retired that stretches the P290
date to some 60 years before and so on - you qualify the estimate
accordingly.
I have no idea whether this is a good move on our site since we are not
really that advanced in running the more intriguing SPARQL searches.
Olaf
Fabrizio Carrai <fabrizio.carrai(a)gmail.com>
hat am 19. September 2019
um 22:13 geschrieben:
So, the question is if it would be fine and ethic to set the "Date of
death" to "unknown" on the base of an old date of birth.
And about the biography of living persons, I found this [1]
Deceased persons, corporations, or groups of personsRecently dead or
probably dead
Anyone born within the past 115 years (on or after 19 September 1904) is
covered by this policy unless a reliable source has confirmed their
death.
Generally, this policy does not apply to material
concerning people who
are
confirmed dead by reliable sources. The only
exception would be for
people
who have recently died, in which case the policy
can extend for an
indeterminate period beyond the date of death—six months, one year, two
years at the outside. Such extensions would apply particularly to
contentious or questionable material about the dead that has
implications
for their living relatives and friends, such as
in the case of a
possible
suicide or a particularly gruesome crime. *Even
absent confirmation of
death, for the purposes of this policy anyone born more than 115 years
ago
is presumed dead* *unless* reliable sources
confirm the person to have
been
living within the past two years. If the date of
birth is unknown,
editors
should use reasonable judgement to infer—from
dates of events noted in
the
article—if it is plausible that the person was
born within the last 115
years and is therefore covered by this policy.
This would support the set of "Date of death" to "unknown" on the
base
of
the "Date of birth". It remains hard to
verify typo errors, but we are
doing our best to verify the data of the several wikiprojects.
The property set would become effective if done in mass by a bot or
similar.
By the way, I would extend be period to 122 years [2]
FabC
[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Decea…
[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_people
Il giorno gio 19 set 2019 alle ore 21:29 Andy Mabbett <
andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> ha scritto:
> On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 at 07:53, Fabrizio Carrai <
fabrizio.carrai(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I found athletes with the "Date of born" but with NO "date of
death".
> > So a query on the age show me athletes
up to 149 years old.
> > Since the oldest know person was 122, what about to set "date of
> > death = unknown value" for all the persons resulting older such age
?
Yes, but check that the date of birth isn't a typo (i.e. 1875 instead
of 1975; or 1894 instead of 1984).
Showing a living person as being dead would be a serious breach of the
BLP policy.
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