Hoi,
One of the requisites as mentioned on the page by Lydia is that it is
usable on any and all projects. Relying on local only technoloy like
templates do not make sense.
Reasonator DOES provide functionality that is similar to what can be
achieved with templating. When a person has relatives, for instance it will
show. When something is in a particular location, it will show the
hierarchy. when there is a geo coordinate, it shows a map,
Now citing "political reasons" begs the question since when our community
decides NOT to implement things that are so manifestly in line what our
mission.
When you consider in build queries... That is what Reasonator offers for a
long long time.
Do you really know what Reasonator is about ? Do you speak for the
community ??
Thanks,
GerardM
On 30 December 2014 at 13:30, Thomas Douillard <thomas.douillard(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Gerard, I like Reasonator a lot, but there is
several advantages to an
integrated solution :
* We can reuse technologies of the mediawiki ecosystem, like for example a
very important one : templates, that are already used an that a lot of
wikimedians knows. It can be used to build template articles. I don't know
if reasonator atm had a lot of contributions. It needs a github or
something account and Javascript knowledge.
* community is reluctant to use not in wiki tools for such needs, it's
politically hard to push Reasonator integration into Wikidata fundamental
templates, I can tell.
* A solution based on prebuilt queries to select the appropriate template
seems not so hard to implement only with Wikibase concepts, and deeply
integrated to the mediawiki ecosystem, integrate Reasonator will probably
eventually not result into such result.
And yes, Reasonator is usable right now. So it's cool that this feature is
not implemented right now :) And reasonator can follow its own path.
2014-12-30 12:28 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hoi,
You also forget that it HAS been in use on several Wikipedias in the
past. So when that was no problem why is it a problem that can not be
overcome now and for now?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 30 December 2014 at 12:15, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
They are mostly excuses. The software has been in use for a LONG time.
It is known for its relevance for the same long time.. So the value of this
need is diminished by the lack of attention in the past.
The point is that these excuses are very much in the way of us achieving
our goal.. sharing in the sum of all knowledge. The knowledge in Wikidata
is available knowledge to us so we do not have a valid excuse.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 30 December 2014 at 11:38, Michał Łazowik <mlazowik(a)me.com> wrote:
Hi,
> Wiadomość napisana przez Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
w dniu 30 gru 2014, o godz. 10:24:
>
> Reasonator works now.
Yes, but the thing is that putting anything on production is not just
including it there.
The whole code needs to be reviewed and there are some limitations,
especially
with 3rd party libraries. Bootstrap is a no-go. There are code
conventions, performance
and compatibility issues (mediawiki has to support IE 8) and
internationalisation. And
tests.
Maybe some of these things are already there, but still the review
would have to be
done.
Michał
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