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Hi,

"1c. You're arguing over CHF 200 -- which extraordinarily-cheaply and
fundamentally PROTECTS the MWF from copyright infringement suits? Can
the SNAK architecture provide that reassurance to the MWF community?"

imho there are some problems with this argumentation:

First i don't really know what standard you are talking about; i can't
find any "ISO Topic Map metamodel". The only publication i found was
on "Topic Maps — Data Model" which is shortened as TMDM (not TMM). Is
that the one you are referring to? There seems to be a whole group of
standards based around that specific one, for example "ISO 18048:
Topic Maps Query Language (TMQL)" and "ISO 19756: Topic Maps
Constraint Language (TMCL)" etc. (wouldn't that mean you would have to
pay for them all?)

Then you seem to be mixing the MWF as an entity and the MWF community
as a collection of individuals. Even if the MWF somehow purchased the
documentation of the standard (or standards from above) from ISO this
would mean nothing to people not part of the MWF. The "community" is
not an official part of the fundation, i.e. they are not members, so
they would have no right to the content of the standard.

The same seems to be true to any third party wanting to use the data
from wikidata. They would need to implement the standard (or even
group of standards) if they successfully wanted to use the content
offered by wikidata. To be able to do this efficiently they probably
would need to buy the standards themself. This seems to me to be
against wikimedias policy of "...the creation of content not subject
to restrictions on creation, use, and reuse.". Having to pay for a
documentation to be able to understand the structure the content is
held in seems to be a restriction the use of the data.

Furthermore i don't really understand your "copyright infringement
thread". Either we are talking about structure, which, to me it seems,
is not protected by copyright (didn't oracle just fail in court
because of that). Or do we talk about some sort of content that can be
protected by copyright? You explicitly said you where not talking
about content :"You're citing a policy about CONTENT, I see, though I
was focusing on data models and technical interface designs..."

Then again i am no laywer so don't really feel competent enough in
that field to give any real advice or have an opinion about what is
protected by copyright and what is not.

tldr: To me it seems using the ISO standard would force third parties
wanting to consume wikidata content to implement that standard too and
thus having to pay for information on how to implement it. This would
mean a (financial) restriction on the use of content which is in
conflict with wikimedias values.

Friedrich

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Nadja Kutz <nadja@daytar.de> wrote: