Hi Friedrich - IAANAA (I also am not an attorney)! and likely know
no more than yourself about the issues.
1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic_Map [3]s gives links to iso/iec 13250
2. The 'community' includes developers who contractually/implicitly
guarantee the provenance of the tools/apps they deploy.
3. Only the
author (the Foundation) of the wikidata tool itself would need purchase
the ISO license - noone else.
4. This is about the methods & processes
embedded _within_ the tools, nothing about content managed by the tools.
5. It is certainly possible (if not likely) that the current
[[wikidata]] design steps on some patents - one doesn't know until a
search is done -- a search that presumptively we can believe has already
been performed by the ISO for 13250.
regards - john
On 13.06.2012
06:07, Friedrich Röhrs wrote:
Hi,
"1c. You're arguing over CHF
200 -- which extraordinarily-cheaply and
fundamentally PROTECTS the
MWF from copyright
infringement suits? Can
the SNAK architecture
provide that reassurance
to the MWF community?"
imho there are some
problems with this argumentation:
First i don't really know what
standard you are talking about; i can't
find any "ISO Topic Map
metamodel".
The only publication i found was
on "Topic Maps -- Data
Model" which is
shortened as TMDM (not TMM). Is
that the one you are
referring to? There seems
to be a whole group of
standards based
around that specific one, for
example "ISO 18048:
Topic Maps Query
Language (TMQL)" and
"ISO 19756: Topic Maps
Constraint Language
(TMCL)" etc.
(wouldn't that mean you would have to
pay for them
all?)
Then you seem to be mixing the MWF as an entity and the MWF
community
as a collection of individuals. Even if the MWF
somehow
purchased the
documentation of the standard (or standards from
above)
from ISO this
would mean nothing to people not part of the MWF. The
"community" is
not an official part of the fundation, i.e. they are
not members, so
they would have no right to the content of the
standard.
The same seems to be true to any third party wanting to
use the data
from wikidata. They would need to implement the
standard
(or even
group of standards) if they successfully wanted to use
the
content
offered by wikidata. To be able to do this efficiently
they
probably
would need to buy the standards themself. This seems
to me to
be
against wikimedias policy of "...the creation of
content not
subject
to restrictions on creation, use, and reuse.".
Having to pay
for a
documentation to be able to understand the structure
the content
is
held in seems to be a restriction the use of the
data.
Furthermore i don't really understand your "copyright infringement
thread". Either we are talking about
structure, which, to me it seems,
is not protected by copyright (didn't oracle
just fail in court
because of that). Or do we talk about some sort
of content that can be
protected by copyright? You explicitly said you
where not talking
about content :"You're citing a policy
about CONTENT, I see, though I
was focusing on data models and technical
interface designs..."
>
Then again i am no laywer so don't really
feel competent enough in
that field to give any real advice or have an
opinion about what is
protected by copyright and what is not.
tldr: To me it seems using
the ISO standard would force third parties
wanting to consume wikidata
content to implement
that standard too and
thus having to pay for
information on how to
implement it. This would
mean a (financial)
restriction on the use of
content which is in
conflict with wikimedias
values.
Friedrich
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Nadja Kutz
<nadja(a)daytar.de> wrote:
> Hello John, thanks for digging this out.
I see in the Brochure there is not
only a postbox but they have even an
office where one could meat the ISO: 1, ch. de la Voie-Creuse It would
be interesting to hear whats Wikimedia's opinion on this. Nadja
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