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>=20
> _What do members of this list think of:_
>=20
> -Separating the concepts of sex/gender and given name in Wikidata?

For the name Andrea we have the female Andrea, the male Andrea and the=20
unisex Andrea. Potentially, we would have a new item that is just a=20
"given name Andrea" and link all Andrea humans to that item.
  =09
I note that the female patronymic Icelandic surname Finnbogad=F3ttir=20
indicates no gender, but that the surname itself indicates female=20
(d=F3ttir =3D daughter).


> -Separating given names from other attributes of persons, such as=20
> nationality or ethnic group?

I am unsure what is meant here. Aren't the given names already separated=20
from nationality and ethnic group. To a certain degree, one might want=20
to label a name according to the etymology, - I suppose.

Do we have a specific example of an item that is an instance of=20
female/male given name were this is an issue.


> -Removing property constraints that require sex or gender to be=20
> identified in items for persons?

I think we should do that.


> -Adding the living person protection class of =93property that may violat=
e=20
> privacy=94 to =93sex or gender=94 (P21)?

I think we should do that.


> -Adding a property constraint of =93citation needed constraint=94 with a =

> constraint status of either mandatory constraint or suggested constraint?

I think we should put that in.


>=20
> -Adding protections against the creation of specific property statements =

> being added to specific items for living persons?

Do you mean to disable the ability to add, e.g., P21 to a specific=20
Q-item? I wonder if that is possible with the current Wikibase=20
installation. Setting the value "unknown" could be a possible solution=20
in some cases.


I am unsure where it is best to discuss these issues. The property=20
constraint can be discussed on the property talk page.
On https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P21 there are some=20
gender discussions.

For the more general discussion, it may also be appropriate to have at=20
least a mention on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat


best regards
Finn =C5rup Nielsen
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