Hi Fabian, 
I think your logic is flawed, as I believe most of the Welsh contributors probably also read the English Wikipedia. This will be true for many languages that are closely related, such as Dutch and Afrikaans, but there is much less "cross reading" between English and languages that are located far from English-speaking countries. Hungarian and other languages will show less "cross reading". In the Netherlands, we held a user survey in 2013 that was very enlightening as it showed us some interesting data that we didn't know. One of the most surprising was that most people in the Netherlands were unaware that Wikipedia is written by volunteers (we are holding a PR campaign this year that just addresses this specific point). The other very interesting and surprising thing we learned was that most people were unaware that Wikipedia was an American invention. They assumed it was Dutch. I personally infer from this the following two things:
1) Dutch people are unaware that Wikipedia exists in other languages, especially since Google's knowledge graph is able to give them enough meta data in web searches such that they need to click on a Wikipedia page less and less for basic information on any specific subject.
2) Dutch people are unaware that the servers of the Dutch Wikipedia are hosted in the U.S. and are therefore abiding by the rules in the U.S. legislative territory.

We know from earlier tests with users that "Donate buttons" and other links appearing on the left seem to be invisible to most users. It is based on all of these things that I made that comment. The click-through data on the interwikis would be very interesting to see.
Best,
Jane

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Fabian Tompsett <fabian.tompsett@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> I for one would bet that the number of page creators in any given Wikipedia that know enough to even look at the left side of the page is quite small. In my experience, most page creators are unaware that Wikipedia exists in any language but their own

mmm, an interesting perspective, but do we have any data? As we are in to speculation here, I would hazard a guess that the smaller the Wikipedia the more likely it is that page creators are aware that there are wikipedias in other languages. So for example on Welsh Wicipedia I would guess something close to 100% of page creators are aware of English Wikipedia.


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On 29 January 2015 at 11:00, Jane Darnell <jane023@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 on collecting the click data! I for one would bet that the number of page creators in any given Wikipedia that know enough to even look at the left side of the page is quite small. In my experience, most page creators are unaware that Wikipedia exists in any language but their own

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com> wrote:
Daniel Kinzler, 29/01/2015 11:24:
> As far as I recall, there is some very silly technical reason that this is not
> easy to change at all. We tried to do this right when we introduced the other
> widget, of course.
>
> I don't recall what exactly the problem was though, and it might have been fixed
> since. Worth another look...

I see. I said "should" (ought to?). :P Is there a phabricator ticket for this?

Lydia Pintscher, 29/01/2015 11:31:
The issue with doing this when there are several sitelinks is that
people will unknowingly merge items this way that should not be
merged. That'd be a huge pita. We'll need to put some good thinking
into this still. I have no good solution right now.

This is a non-issue IMHO, as soon as my suggestion at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85776 / https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/transactions/detail/PHID-XACT-TASK-zi2igyjlfqasknq/ is implemented.


>This should be very easy to change. The dialog could then contain a link to
>the Wikidata item for the case when one wants to edit or remove links, until
>such a feature is added to the dialog itself.
Showing the dialog and requiring people to click would probably annoy
people for having to click one additional time? Especially if their
intention is clear.

There is already a generic Wikidata link in the sidebar which users can click; having two of them is a waste. Also, the drawback is much lower than the gain: if I'm forced to visit an entry in Wikidata to edit a sitelink, I have to spend X seconds to load the entry, then find the "add" button etc, spend additional N links; if I really want to go to the Wikidata entry, having to click in a dialog is just one click more and a fraction of second spent.

If you really think the "add one link" case is minoritary for those who click the edit links button, I trust you, but we should have click tracking data to back this. Personally, I'd bet 85 % of users clicking the button just wants to add one link and expects to see the dialog they usually see to add links (when there are none).

Nemo

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