Hi Mackenzie, Thanks for sharing more about your research here. Do you intend to request access to the deleted logs of specific Wikipedia language editions or all Wikipedias? Best, Leila -- Leila Zia Head of Research Wikimedia Foundation On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:43 AM Mackenzie Lemieux <mackenzie.lemieux(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I recently completed a project writing en.wiki articles for all female and indigenous professors in my country, .nz. I now write pronounless biographies, because there were a significant number whose gender wasn't apparent from their public persona. My guess is that women and LGBTIA+ minorities are incentivised to remove markers of their gender from their online presence to keep a lower profile to avoid the trolls and bigots. There were also a number who clearly appeared to be a certain ethnicity based on their staff photo, but where there were no reliable sources as to that ethnicity. I also had a one person ask for their article to be deleted. [If this is of interest I can send details to you directly, but I will not post their details to a public forum and ask you refrain from this also.] I look forward to reading your experimental design taking these factors into account. cheers stuart -- ...let us be heard from red core to black sky On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 06:43, Mackenzie Lemieux <mackenzie.lemieux(a)gmail.com> wrote:

(I know this thread was from many months ago. I've been reading recently about related issues, and remembered this conversation) Mackenzie, That's a great question. Accusations of systemic bias in the deletion of biographies is one of the most common criticisms of Wikipedia, and it would be great to have data on this issue. I would suggest scraping the New Pages feed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPages) to get the full text and metadata of all new articles before any of them get deleted. If you do this a week you'll get a sample of thousands of articles that you can track longitudinally to see what kinds of articles survive for, say, 30 days. If an article survives 30 days it's highly likely to stay for good. To get the biographies that are created via the Articles for Creation process, you would need to scrape the New Pages feed for Draft space in addition to Article space. When analyzing this data set, it would be good to categorize why each bio was deleted, and maybe filter out the cases in which an article was deleted for being a copyright violation, attack page, undecipherable nonsense, etc. I'd also like to echo WereSpielChequers's second point below. Apparent biases in deletion may reflect biases in article creation. You might be best off working with a small sample set but analyzing the set really closely (i.e. have humans read every article) to avoid the "maybe group X had more deleted articles because it had more crap articles to start with" objection. Best regards, Su-Laine Wikipedia volunteer On -July-102020, 8:05 AM, "Wiki-research-l on behalf of WereSpielChequers" <wiki-research-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of werespielchequers(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi Mackenie, You may be correct in either or both of your hypotheses, but you might also want to check out two other related ones. 1 Some academic institutions may have an element of misogyny in their HR policies, leading to such situations as an academic becoming notable for their work to the point where they merit a Wikipedia article, before they become a full professor. 2 In Wikipedia's drive to address the gender skew in our content, we may have some editors creating articles on women who don't yet meet our notability criteria. Such articles are of course highly likely to be deleted. There is another way to approach this, check primary and secondary sources to see how Wikipedia compares against them. For example, we have articles on every female Fellow of the Royal Society, and we achieved that almost a decade ago. I don't know if we yet have articles on all the blokes.. I expect we have articles on every Nobel Prize Winner by now, but there will be less well known awards and lists of people in STEM. One problem in looking at deletion discussions is that they don't always say what the person is known for, and so you can have confusion between multiple people of the same name. I was once asked to restore a deleted article so that someone could look at what was there and see if they could make a clearer case re the notability of that eminent diplomat. After looking at the deleted article, I told them not to start from the deleted bit, and if it was the same person, to emphasise their subsequent career as a diplomat, rather than their adolescent career as a "pro skateboarder". So in order to find the articles on deleted female scientists, you either need a list of deleted female scientists, or to check a lot of other articles to find which are scientists. Hope that's useful WSC On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 00:17, Stuart A. Yeates <syeates(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l