Bills for what?
Dead tree publication? Obsolete, switch to print on demand.
Online publication? Once you have free access (no need to set up a "web shop" and collect money), web publishing is relatively simple. Hundreds of thousands if not millions have created web pages, and it is much easier to do so now than it was in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if there already was an OA journal friendly host and/or website creation kit; if there isn't, creating one wouldn't be a major problem (for the kit, free hosts like Google Sites are even less of an issue). If a given editing team has next to zero Internet literacy, ask among the grad students (hire one or get them to volunteer).
Labor? As in authors? Editors? Reviewers? It's not like they are being paid under a current model.
To sum it up, the only real cost associated with journal publishing is that of a single grad student who acts as an assistant/managing editor. That's the cost of about $1,000-$1,500 a month. That doesn't seem terrible, considering the potential sources of funding (universities, grants, professional associations and donations). And as much as I hate to say it, if this amount is really a problem (let the slaving grads starve...), that job could be outsourced for a fraction of that cost to somebody through the Internet freelancing portals. Consider that you can hire people for $20-$30 an hour for such tasks, and consider how many hours really go into this kind of a job...
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Piotr Konieczny
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On 5/21/2012 2:01 AM, Richard Jensen wrote:
Sorry Dario, you need to look at it from the editors' and scholarls point of view and not say you are thinking of the "taxpayer"--journal prices have gone up but taxes have gone down, so that's not a real issue. I've been on the editorial boards of eight scholarly journals & all would be in real trouble on free access. Who would pay their bills? Who would pay their grad students? Already they are threatened by declining university budgets and losing the subscription base would be a terrific blow. "Access for the "taxpayers" / "taxpayers pay twice" is a rhetorical tool designed to defund science. It is the professors and graduate students who need the journals and who would be hurt when they close.
Richard Jensen
At 11:45 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote:
With all due respect, your statement is simply false and ill-informed. The NIH as well as a growing number of large research institutions and funding bodies worldwide has been mandating open access for 4 years and I'd like to see any evidence that this is "destroying peer review". There are many sustainable open access models that publishers and scholarly societies are adopting, the only thing this campaign is threatening is the taxpayer's obligation to pay twice for research they have already funded.
Best,
Dario
On May 20, 2012, at 10:30 PM, Richard Jensen wrote:
> that's a bad idea--it will destroy the financial base of thousands of journals and throw the whole science community into turmoil for years as the main quality control system --peer review--is destroyed.
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> The alternative of direct government subsidy of journals is even more dangerous, as it will give politicians control over what gets published.
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> Richard Jensen
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> At 11:19 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote:
>> (apologies for cross-posting)
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>> A petition you should care about: require free access over the Internet to journal articles arising from taxpayer-funded research.
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>> http://access2research.org/
>> http://wh.gov/6TH
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>> 25,000 signatures in 30 days (by June 19) gets an official response from the White House.
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