Communities are who they choose to offer plaudits to. The people getting off largely scott-free in this case are people a highly vocal subgroup has put on a pedestal for years. I don't know if the community as a whole is that ugly and bitter, but I can understand where people would get the impression, from looking at the sort of person we celebrate.
On Monday, 15 December 2014, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
We have problems, I don't dispute that. But "ugly and bitter as 4chan"? That has to be an exaggeration.
Regards
Jonathan Cardy
On 13 Dec 2014, at 01:03, Andrew Lih <andrew.lih@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','andrew.lih@gmail.com');> wrote:
I certainly hope you're right Sydney. What a horrible mess.
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Sydney Poore <sydney.poore@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sydney.poore@gmail.com');> wrote:
I think feminists, especially those who take an interest in STEM, will pass this article around.
Sydney On Dec 12, 2014 5:35 PM, "Andrew Lih" <andrew.lih@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','andrew.lih@gmail.com');> wrote:
It's a good piece, but honestly I think only the dedicated tech reader will make it through the entire story. There's a lot of jargon and insider intrigue such that I could imagine most people never making past the typewriter barf of "BLP, AGF, NOR" :)
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj@alk.edu.pl javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','darekj@alk.edu.pl');> wrote:
While I agree that the article is overly negative (likely because of the individual experience), I think it still points to an important problem. I don't perceive this article as really problematic in terms of image. Maybe naively, I imagine that people will not stop donating because the community is not ideal.
pundit
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Kerry Raymond < kerry.raymond@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kerry.raymond@gmail.com');> wrote:
There’s a saying that everyone likes to eat sausages but nobody likes to know how they are made. It is not good to have negative publicity like that during the annual donation campaign (irrespective of the motivations of the journalist and/or the rights/wrongs of the issue being reported, neither of which I intend to debate here). As a donation-funded organisation, public perception matters a lot.
Kerry
*From:* Jonathan Morgan [mailto:jmorgan@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jmorgan@wikimedia.org');] *Sent:* Saturday, 13 December 2014 6:43 AM *To:* Research into Wikimedia content and communities *Cc:* Kerry Raymond *Subject:* Re: [Wiki-research-l] commentary on Wikipedia's community behaviour (Aaron gets a quote)
I mostly agree. On one hand, it's always nice to see a detailed description of how wiki-sausage gets made in a major venue. On the other, this journalist clearly has a personal axe to grind, and used his bully pulpit to grind it in public.
- J
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) < nemowiki@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nemowiki@gmail.com');> wrote:
1000th addition to the inconsequential rant genre.
Nemo
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członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW
Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
Recenzje Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml Pacific Standard: http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/ Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia The Wikipedian: http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge
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