Dariusz, you make a good point about the criterion for ranking journals, but my point still stands that you wnn't have a high quality set of papers without strict criteria for rejection.  I've reviewed enough papers to know what tends to get rejected.

I don't see how a such a specialized focus as beneficial or "our community" as a particularly strong force for driving citations.  Surely WikiSym has an equally specialized focus and the same community behind it. 

As for disciplines that do not count conference papers, I cannot comment because my discipline (Computer Science) looks at top tier conference publications in a similar way to journal publications.  However, I'd argue that anyone who does not value a publication purely because the venue is called a "conference" regardless of the impact/restrictiveness is making a mistake.  I've seen people include the acceptance rates on their CV to avoid this situation.

-Aaron


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj@alk.edu.pl> wrote:
hi Aaron,

I think that the rejection-rate principle does not apply to the "highly rated" criterion for journals, when JCR/ISI (the only ranking that matters at present) criteria are considered. The key and predominant criterion is the number of citations in the journals, which are already in the ranking. 

Keep in mind that in some disciplines conference paper do not matter AT ALL (they are not counted as anything in career advancement). 

One source of competitive advantage of a wiki-centered journal is its specialized focus. Both writers and readers on wiki-phenomena are likely to consider a wiki-specialized journal as a good venue of publishing/reading. Also, with our community as a driving force, it is conceivable that the journal would have a relatively high readership (and consequently, citation numbers).

best,

dj


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Aaron Halfaker <aaron.halfaker@gmail.com> wrote:
"Highly rated" is an interesting property.  One of the ways that a publication venue becomes highly rated is by being highly restrictive.  In fact, the primary measurement of the quality of a publication venue is the acceptance rate of that conference.  

WikiSym is not considered highly rated because a high proportion of the submitted papers are accepted.  Would a wiki journal be more restrictive in order to gain a "highly rated" status?  

I think it's interesting to ask why WikiSym needs improvement and why attendance has been falling.  If a WikiSym is a wiki conference that is struggling to maintain participation, how might a wiki journal surmount such trouble?  Assuming that the answer to my question above is "yes, the wiki-journal would be more restrictive", how would such a journal gather more submissions than an established conference like WikiSym -- enough to both produce regular issues and maintain a high rejection rate?

-Aaron


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Joe Corneli <holtzermann17@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Aaron Halfaker <aaron.halfaker@gmail.com> wrote:

> To state it plainly, why do we need yet another publication venue specific to wiki software?

I think people want a "highly rated" publication venue.  Also,

«The reason why WikiSym is changing is for the same reason.  People are
not going to the conference!  I think the attendance has been below
100 for some time now.  That's not a sustainable number for the amount
of work that goes into organizing a conference.»

But what you're saying suggests that maybe work should be done to
improve existing venues rather than creating a new one.

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