Hi Claudia,

 which of Juergen's statements do you mean?

All of them, but mostly the explanation for the drop in traffic.   

 do you have any evidence for the contrary?

Please don't assume that my call for evidence suggests my disagreement.  I'm an empiricist and this is the research mailing list.  IMO, claims need evidence or should be carefully framed as speculation or hypothesis.   In this context, it is good practice to request that those making statements of fact produce justification.

It seems like it would be helpful to move this conversation forward if someone were to find the dates of the policy change and compare it to the rate of moderated messages.  

I also suggest that any further discussion about WMF policies or board decisions (outside of their measurable effects, theoretical implications, etc.) be taken to a more appropriate forum.

-Aaron

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:05 AM, <koltzenburg@w4w.net> wrote:
Hi Aaron, which of Juergen's statements do you mean?

my question is: do you have any evidence for the contrary?

best, Claudia

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> Hi Juergen, That's an interesting hypothesis.  Do
> you have any evidence to support it?
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Juergen Fenn
> <jfenn@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Am 04.06.2015 um 16:33 schrieb Samuel Klein <meta.sj@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > Context: reduced traffic on wikimedia-l.
> > > Is this a sign of poor community health?
> >
> > Reduced traffic on Wikimedia-l is mostly due to list moderation. All
> > critical content has been filtered for a while. I became aware of it only
> > recently when I posted a critical remark which was rejected.
> >
> > The Foundation has not only introduced Superprotect and Superban, it
has
> > also got a firm grip on all communication channels whatsoever. This will
> > intensify as, we have just learned, new staff will be hired for
> > communication. The WMF no longer needs the community, it does all the
> > traffic itself (staff, chapters, etc.).
> >
> > Of course this shift from crowdsourcing to staff has to be paid for, hence
> > the interest in an ever-increasing flow of donations and hence the
interest
> > in the Alexa ranking of Wikipedia.
> >
> > Best,
> > Jürgen.
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