Hoi,
Kerry using Wikidata it is actually possible to filter the people from
Queensland. The point is however that it takes Wikidata and a query to
produce this. Using the wonderful tools produced by Magnus, it is
relatively easy to do this.
Wikidata is a great tool to combine things it is however only in
combination with other sources that its data becomes relevant in a work
flow kind of way. Its data can help any source to do comparisons. In the
process both Wikidata and those sources will become a better mouse trap for
quality information.
Yes, there are cultural differences. However, we can agree that quality is
important and we need to work towards more data and from that to data of a
higher quality.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 20 November 2015 at 22:23, Kerry Raymond <kerry.raymond(a)gmail.com> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I just took a look at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Living_people_on_E…
being the first time I’ve heard about it. The problem I face with that
list of people is that there is no way that I can filter it to people
within the categories I work in. If I knew there were people from
Queensland in the list, I’d happily fix them up (my knowledge of sources
for Queensland is good) but I don’t intend to spend time on Swedish poets
or military leaders in Senegal (because if you start thinking you can
curate the whole of Wikipedia, that way lies madness). Whereas every now
and again, I do help out with:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Queensland_articles_missing_geocoord…
precisely because it’s within my sphere of interest and expertise. I’m
good with Queensland geo-locations. Similarly, I also do some
disambiguation using
http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/watchlist_points.py
because that filters articles to those on my watchlist.
I think if we could provide tools to filter these Wikipedia-wide
lists/categories where work is needed into:
· Categories
· Projects
· Watchlists
I think it is much more likely people would help out because they could
focus on articles on topics they care about.
Kerry
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*Subject:* Re: [Wiki-research-l] Quality issues
My experience is that pretty much all Wikimedians care about quality,
though some have different, even diametrically opposed views as to what
quality means and which things are cosmetic or crucial.
My experience of the sadly dormant death anomaly project
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Death_anomalies_table> was that people
react positively to being told "here is a list of anomalies on your
language wikipedia" especially if those anomalies are relatively serious.
My experience of edits on many different languages is that wikipedians
appreciate someone who improves articles, even if you don't speak their
language. Dismissing any of our thousand wikis as a "black box" is I think
less helpful.
One of the great opportunities of Wikidata is to do the sort of data
driven anomaly finding that we pioneered with the death anomalies report.
But we always need to remember that there are cultural difference between
wikis, and not just in such things as the age at which we assume people are
dead. Diplomacy is a useful skill in cross wiki work.
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On 20 November 2015 at 07:18, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
At Wikidata we often find issues with data imported from a Wikipedia.
Lists have been produced with these issues on the Wikipedia involved and
arguably they do present issues with the quality of Wikipedia or Wikidata
for that matter. So far hardly anything resulted from such outreach.
When Wikipedia is a black box, not communicating about with the outside
world, at some stage the situation becomes toxic. At this moment there are
already those at Wikidata that argue not to bother about Wikipedia quality
because in their view, Wikipedians do not care about its own quality.
Arguably known issues with quality are the easiest to solve.
There are many ways to approach this subject. It is indeed a quality issue
both for Wikidata and Wikipedia. It can be seen as a research issue; how to
deal with quality and how do such mechanisms function if at all.
I blogged about it..
Thanks,
GerardM
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/11/what-kind-of-box-is-wikipedia.ht…
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