Hoi,
I think you miss the point. The point is that Wikidata is a platform that can be and will be used for research. How to do this optimally is what this proposal is about. Not about the nitty gritty of research itself.
Thanks,
     GerardM

On 12 December 2014 at 11:54, <koltzenburg@w4w.net> wrote:
Hi Daniel and all, 

> but most of the reactions came - unsurprisingly

good point: and why do you find it unsurprising?

> integration of further fields of research

the questions here would be:
* into what kind of framework are you expecting to "integrate" other fields of research?
* what cultures of research will by then be determined as "standard" into which the others would then be *made to* fit?

btw, this might be a testing perspective re sitting uncomfortably:
where do any results by "the measuring sciences" look strange due to the framework in which they are presented?

best,
Claudia
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From:Daniel Mietchen <daniel.mietchen@googlemail.com>
To:Research into Wikimedia content and communities <wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent:Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:05:05 +0100
Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikidata for Research - a research proposal

> Hi Claudia,
>
> thanks for your comments. While we aim at making Wikidata useful for
> any field of research, even a successfully completed project is
> unlikely to achieve that in one go, so I've changed that phrase to
> "across fields of research".
>
> We have tried to reach out to different disciplines (e.g.
> https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Daniel_Mietchen&offset=20141209075732&limit=31&target=Daniel+Mietchen
> and
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Daniel_Mietchen&offset=20141209023643&limit=34&target=Daniel+Mietchen
> as well as via the blog and social media)
> but most of the reactions came - unsurprisingly - from the computer
> science and Semantic Web corners. I think that is OK, since our aim is
> to get the process rolling for a tighter integration of Wikidata with
> research - that's why we also set up the WikiProject and hope that the
> proposal will just be the first of many of its activities. Once the
> first such project has been run (be it ours or a fork thereof or a
> different one), integration of further fields of research should be
> simpler than it is today.
>
> I was reaching out to Europeana, which resulted in the European
> Library signing up to become a partner here, which should help cover
> arts and humanities. I have also reached out to mathematicians but did
> not receive enthusiasm. I specifically asked for databases about
> mathematical concepts or other kind of Wikidata-compatible datasets,
> but did not find any. Pointers most welcome, as are further comments
> and edits.
>
> Thanks and cheers,
>
> Daniel
>
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> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:30 AM,  <koltzenburg@w4w.net> wrote:
> > Hi Daniel, thank you for your pointer,
> >
> > the claim made in the summary
> > "in any field of research"
> > needs to be substantiated by data that
> >
> > * show the usefulness of the project's expected outcome for research fields
> > in which proofs do not predominantly rely on measurement but predominantly
> > on solidity of argumentation
> > * outline how the bias towards facticity (Mautpreller 2011) in Wikidata
> > disadvantages non-propositional kinds of knowledge even though the purported
> > claim of Wikipedia is to represent "the sum of all knowledge"
> >
> > see also the list of project partners,
> > e.g., representatives of the fields of Maths as well as of Arts & Humanities
> > seem to be missing
> >
> > best,
> > Claudia Koltzenburg
> > koltzenburg@w4w.net
> > My GPG-Key-ID: DDD21523
> >
> >
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> > <wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> > Sent:Fri, 12 Dec 2014 06:55:20 +0100
> > Subject:[Wiki-research-l] Wikidata for Research - a research proposal
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> we are drafting a research proposal on establishing Wikidata as a
> >> virtual research environment, as explained in
> >>
> >> http://blog.wikimedia.de/2014/12/05/wikidata-for-research-a-grant-proposal-that-anyone-can-edit/
> >> .
> >>
> >> The proposal is being drafted via
> >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Wikidata_for_research
> >> and would benefit from critical review, so we would appreciate your
> >> comments, suggestions and edits.
> >>
> >> Thanks and cheers,
> >>
> >> Daniel
> >>
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