I asked her and yes the VE has made a big difference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Megalibrarygirl#Using_the_Visual_Editor (for what I said)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kerry_Raymond#Visual_Editor (for her reply)
So, one success story!
Kerry
From: Kerry Raymond [mailto:kerry.raymond@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015 9:37 AM
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Subject: RE: [Wiki-research-l] Has the recent increase in English wikipedia's core community gone beyond a statistical blip?
Woo hoo! I’m #9 in the table! But seriously that’s probably less than 10% of my edits. For that same group, what percentage of their edits does the VE represent? I notice that #1 on the list User:Megalibrarygirl appears to be using VE almost exclusively at the present, but started out on the source editor. Interestingly I notice that among her recent non-VE edits mention adding infoboxes in the edit summary (which is something which is a total pain in the VE). This user has also massively increased her number of edits recently, might be interesting to know if the VE is a factor in this. I will ask her.
Kerry
From: wiki-research-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wiki-research-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Morgan
Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015 4:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Has the recent increase in English wikipedia's core community gone beyond a statistical blip?
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 8:35 AM, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
On a very non-scientific measure of how few editors currently use V/E, I took some snapshots of the most recent 500 mainspace edits yesterday and was getting circa 1% tagged as visual editor, I've just run two sample this afternoon and the first had not a single edit tagged Visual editor and the other only four, so unless some of those experienced users using V/e have opted out of having their edits tagged V/E, I'm assuming "gobs and gobs" are either on other language wikis, heavily skewed to a time of day I haven't sampled or big in number but still too small a proportion to account for the increase in the number of editors doing >100 edits per month.
On 17 August 2015 at 15:54, Jonathan Morgan <jmorgan@wikimedia.org> wrote:
There are gobs and gobs* of people using VE. Many of them are experienced editors.
I'm also interested in looking at VE adoption over time (especially by veteran editors). I'll sniff around and let y'all know if I find anything.
No idea what might be causing the boost in active editor numbers. But it's exciting to see :)
Anyone else have data that bears on these questions?
- J
*non-scientific estimate drawn from anecdata
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 9:53 AM, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
That's an interesting theory, but are there many people actually using V/E now?
I've just gone back through recent changes looking for people using it, and apart from half a dozen newbies I've welcomed I'm really not seeing many V/E edits.
Looking at the history of Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback the last 500 edits go back three months. So apart from the Interior, you and I Kerry I'm not sure there is a huge number of people testing it, and I wasn't testing it in the first 6 months of this year. I did see some research where they were claiming that retention rates for V/E editors were now as good as for people using the classic editor, but I would be surprised if there were enough people using V/E to make a difference to these figures, especially as this is about the editors doing over 100 edits a month.
I agree it would be interesting to track the take-up of the VE (fully or partially) by editor by year of original signup. But I think the long awaited boost from V?E editing is yet to come, if the regulars have started to increase that is likely to be due to something else.
Jonathan
Is there any way of telling what proportion of these 8% appear to be using the Visual Editor either exclusively or partially? It might be interesting to track the take-up of the VE (fully or partially) by editor by year of original signup.
Kerry
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Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Has the recent increase in English wikipedia's core community gone beyond a statistical blip?
Hi,
With 8% more editors contributing over 100 edits in June 2015 than in June 2014, we have now had six consecutive months where this particular metric of the core community is looking positive. One or two months could easily be a statistical blip, especially when you compare calender months that may have 5 weekends in one year and four the next. But 6 months in a row does begin to look like a change in pattern.
As far as caveats go I'm aware of several of the reasons why raw edit count is a suspect measure, but I'm not aware of anything that has come in in this year that would have artificially inflated edit counts and brought more of the under 100 editors into the >100 group.
I know there was a recent speedup, which should increase subsequent edit rates, and one of the edit filters got disabled in June, but neither of those should be relevant to the Jan-May period.
Would anyone on this list be aware of something that would have otherwise thrown that statistic?
Otherwise I'm considering submitting something to the Signpost.
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