Hi Daniel and all, 

> but most of the reactions came - unsurprisingly

good point: and why do you find it unsurprising?

> integration of further fields of research

the questions here would be:
* into what kind of framework are you expecting to "integrate" other fields of research?
* what cultures of research will by then be determined as "standard" into which the others would then be *made to* fit?

btw, this might be a testing perspective re sitting uncomfortably:
where do any results by "the measuring sciences" look strange due to the framework in which they are presented?

best,
Claudia
koltzenburg@w4w.net
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From:Daniel Mietchen <daniel.mietchen@googlemail.com>
To:Research into Wikimedia content and communities <wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent:Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:05:05 +0100
Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] Wikidata for Research - a research proposal

> Hi Claudia,
>
> thanks for your comments. While we aim at making Wikidata useful for
> any field of research, even a successfully completed project is
> unlikely to achieve that in one go, so I've changed that phrase to
> "across fields of research".
>
> We have tried to reach out to different disciplines (e.g.
> https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Daniel_Mietchen&offset=20141209075732&limit=31&target=Daniel+Mietchen
> and
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Daniel_Mietchen&offset=20141209023643&limit=34&target=Daniel+Mietchen
> as well as via the blog and social media)
> but most of the reactions came - unsurprisingly - from the computer
> science and Semantic Web corners. I think that is OK, since our aim is
> to get the process rolling for a tighter integration of Wikidata with
> research - that's why we also set up the WikiProject and hope that the
> proposal will just be the first of many of its activities. Once the
> first such project has been run (be it ours or a fork thereof or a
> different one), integration of further fields of research should be
> simpler than it is today.
>
> I was reaching out to Europeana, which resulted in the European
> Library signing up to become a partner here, which should help cover
> arts and humanities. I have also reached out to mathematicians but did
> not receive enthusiasm. I specifically asked for databases about
> mathematical concepts or other kind of Wikidata-compatible datasets,
> but did not find any. Pointers most welcome, as are further comments
> and edits.
>
> Thanks and cheers,
>
> Daniel
>
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>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:30 AM,  <koltzenburg@w4w.net> wrote:
> > Hi Daniel, thank you for your pointer,
> >
> > the claim made in the summary
> > "in any field of research"
> > needs to be substantiated by data that
> >
> > * show the usefulness of the project's expected outcome for research fields
> > in which proofs do not predominantly rely on measurement but predominantly
> > on solidity of argumentation
> > * outline how the bias towards facticity (Mautpreller 2011) in Wikidata
> > disadvantages non-propositional kinds of knowledge even though the purported
> > claim of Wikipedia is to represent "the sum of all knowledge"
> >
> > see also the list of project partners,
> > e.g., representatives of the fields of Maths as well as of Arts & Humanities
> > seem to be missing
> >
> > best,
> > Claudia Koltzenburg
> > koltzenburg@w4w.net
> > My GPG-Key-ID: DDD21523
> >
> >
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> > From:Daniel Mietchen <daniel.mietchen@googlemail.com>
> > To:"wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org"
> > <wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> > Sent:Fri, 12 Dec 2014 06:55:20 +0100
> > Subject:[Wiki-research-l] Wikidata for Research - a research proposal
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> we are drafting a research proposal on establishing Wikidata as a
> >> virtual research environment, as explained in
> >>
> >> http://blog.wikimedia.de/2014/12/05/wikidata-for-research-a-grant-proposal-that-anyone-can-edit/
> >> .
> >>
> >> The proposal is being drafted via
> >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Wikidata_for_research
> >> and would benefit from critical review, so we would appreciate your
> >> comments, suggestions and edits.
> >>
> >> Thanks and cheers,
> >>
> >> Daniel
> >>
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