Gerard
I am sure it is possible but if nobody provides any easy way to do it (or detailed
instructions on how to do it yourself), I am unsurprised ordinary editors don’t bother. I
am not a Wikidata contributor; I don’t know how any of it works. I don’t know Lua. I hear
constant claims of how wonderful it is, but never get any information on how to get
started. I have looked on the Wikidata main pages but come up empty handed. I cannot even
find the “upload” for the spreadsheets (it’s not on the left hand tool bar, it doesn’t
come up in a Help search). I’m not the first Australian to ask the question about the
census data, but all we get is “it’s possible” but never “this is how to do it”. Where do
we ask that question where we might get an answer?
We had hoped to get some funding for an Australian conference at which we had hoped to get
someone involved with Wikidata to give a keynote address and tutorial/workshop on this
census data issue, but WMF knocked us back on the funding so it didn’t happen. However, we
could probably use from WMAU funding to bring out an individual to give a workshop.
Kerry
From: Gerard Meijssen [mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 21 November 2015 8:41 AM
To: Kerry Raymond <kerry.raymond(a)gmail.com>om>; Research into Wikimedia content and
communities <wiki-research-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Quality issues
Hoi,
Kerry using Wikidata it is actually possible to filter the people from Queensland. The
point is however that it takes Wikidata and a query to produce this. Using the wonderful
tools produced by Magnus, it is relatively easy to do this.
Wikidata is a great tool to combine things it is however only in combination with other
sources that its data becomes relevant in a work flow kind of way. Its data can help any
source to do comparisons. In the process both Wikidata and those sources will become a
better mouse trap for quality information.
Yes, there are cultural differences. However, we can agree that quality is important and
we need to work towards more data and from that to data of a higher quality.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 20 November 2015 at 22:23, Kerry Raymond <kerry.raymond(a)gmail.com
<mailto:kerry.raymond@gmail.com> > wrote:
For what it’s worth, I just took a look at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Living_people_on_E…
being the first time I’ve heard about it. The problem I face with that list of people is
that there is no way that I can filter it to people within the categories I work in. If I
knew there were people from Queensland in the list, I’d happily fix them up (my knowledge
of sources for Queensland is good) but I don’t intend to spend time on Swedish poets or
military leaders in Senegal (because if you start thinking you can curate the whole of
Wikipedia, that way lies madness). Whereas every now and again, I do help out with:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Queensland_articles_missing_geocoord…
precisely because it’s within my sphere of interest and expertise. I’m good with
Queensland geo-locations. Similarly, I also do some disambiguation using
http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/watchlist_points.py
because that filters articles to those on my watchlist.
I think if we could provide tools to filter these Wikipedia-wide lists/categories where
work is needed into:
* Categories
* Projects
* Watchlists
I think it is much more likely people would help out because they could focus on articles
on topics they care about.
Kerry
From: Wiki-research-l [mailto:wiki-research-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org
<mailto:wiki-research-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org> ] On Behalf Of
WereSpielChequers
Sent: Friday, 20 November 2015 11:31 PM
To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities
<wiki-research-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>
Cc: WikiData-l <wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
<mailto:wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >; Wikimedia Mailing List
<wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >
Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Quality issues
My experience is that pretty much all Wikimedians care about quality, though some have
different, even diametrically opposed views as to what quality means and which things are
cosmetic or crucial.
My experience of the sadly dormant death anomaly project
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Death_anomalies_table> was that people react
positively to being told "here is a list of anomalies on your language
wikipedia" especially if those anomalies are relatively serious. My experience of
edits on many different languages is that wikipedians appreciate someone who improves
articles, even if you don't speak their language. Dismissing any of our thousand wikis
as a "black box" is I think less helpful.
One of the great opportunities of Wikidata is to do the sort of data driven anomaly
finding that we pioneered with the death anomalies report. But we always need to remember
that there are cultural difference between wikis, and not just in such things as the age
at which we assume people are dead. Diplomacy is a useful skill in cross wiki work.
~~~~
On 20 November 2015 at 07:18, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
<mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> > wrote:
Hoi,
At Wikidata we often find issues with data imported from a Wikipedia. Lists have been
produced with these issues on the Wikipedia involved and arguably they do present issues
with the quality of Wikipedia or Wikidata for that matter. So far hardly anything resulted
from such outreach.
When Wikipedia is a black box, not communicating about with the outside world, at some
stage the situation becomes toxic. At this moment there are already those at Wikidata that
argue not to bother about Wikipedia quality because in their view, Wikipedians do not care
about its own quality.
Arguably known issues with quality are the easiest to solve.
There are many ways to approach this subject. It is indeed a quality issue both for
Wikidata and Wikipedia. It can be seen as a research issue; how to deal with quality and
how do such mechanisms function if at all.
I blogged about it..
Thanks,
GerardM
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/11/what-kind-of-box-is-wikipedia.ht…
_______________________________________________
Wiki-research-l mailing list
Wiki-research-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
_______________________________________________
Wiki-research-l mailing list
Wiki-research-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l