Hello Dariusz and everyone else,

I'm interested in sharing ideas about the best way to discuss the gender gap in the wikimedia movement. 

While more information is always useful and at times necessary in order to measure change properly, if the previous data seems to still match the day to day observations pretty well then discounting the previous data as wrong just because it is outdated doesn't seem sensible.  

Since I've had the opportunity to observe the gender of wikimedia affiliated groups (both official and informal) from around the world, I can say with confidence  that the wikimedia movement is still dominated by males. Both on and off line, except for diversity related events, I'm often the only women participating in discussions and rarely does the ratio exceed 3 in 10. 

To have my observation better documented would be great :-) I hope that more wikimedia organizations document the gender mix of content creators who are affiliated with their organization so that better research can be done.

I encourage everyone to look at the up coming WMF Inspire Gender Gap grant campaign and see if they can find an opportunity to work on better data collection during this high profile campaign.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire_Grants_%E2%80%93_Gender_gap_campaign

Sydney

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Wikipedian in Residence
at Cochrane Collaboration

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj@alk.edu.pl> wrote:
hi there,

thanks for the quote :) I totally agree with you that a lot of data we have is outdated, and that there are way too many generalizations about Wikipedia relying only on en-wiki. As Aaron and Mako pointed out in their paper (referred to by Jeremy), there needs to be more approaches to our estimations of gender gap, and the current methods are far from perfect. As far as I recall, they did a follow-up on this topic, and maybe a publication coming up? 

best,

dariusz 

On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:50 AM, <koltzenburg@w4w.net> wrote:
Hi Jeremy, thank you for this pointer,

hi all,
can anyone explain to me why data from 2008 are re-used in quantitative
studies of this kind? (instead of asking new questions, for example, and also
changing the framework in which the data were created)

another issue seems to be that, while Wikipedia exists in a host of languages,
statistical news are rarely accompanied by qualifiers as to which language
version (community) the data were created in/from.
my guess on this issue is that "results" re enWP may be quite different from
results re, say, bgWP or hiWP, because genders relate to one another
differently and collaborative writing on the web may have a differently
gendered status in different communities, etc.

the same caveat would be due as to yesterday's "the gender of Wikipedia
readers" question that this thread started with,

best,
Claudia
koltzenburg@w4w.net

---------- Original Message -----------
From:Jeremy Foote <jdfoote1@gmail.com>
To:Research into Wikimedia content and communities <wiki-research-
l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent:Sat, 14 Feb 2015 22:12:41 -0600
Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] a cautious note on gender stats Re: Fwd:
[Gendergap] Wikipedia readers

> Mako Hill and Aaron Shaw wrote a paper which
> combined a 2008 WMF survey with Pew Research to
> try to find a less biased estimation of the Wikipedia
> gender gap. Their paper is titled "The Wikipedia
> Gender Gap Revisited: Characterizing Survey
> Response Bias with Propensity Score Estimation",
> and is at
> http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?
id=10.1371/journal.pone.0065782#pone-0065782-t002 .
>
> It's not a perfect fit for eliminating the bias to
> participate in editor surveys, but it's a step
> toward a more realistic value for the gender gap
> (although it's still pretty bleak - with only 16%
> of gobal editors estimated to be female).
>
> Best,
> Jeremy
>
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > What year are we living ?
> > Thanks,
> >      GerardM
> >
> > On 14 February 2015 at 17:24, <koltzenburg@w4w.net> wrote:
> >
> >>  my2cents re figures on percentages (... in a gender binary paradigm),
> >> well...
> >>
> >> I'd suggest to take into account User:Pundit's thoughtful
considerations,
> >>
> >> author of: Jemielniak, Dariusz (2014), Common knowledge? An
ethnography
> >> of Wikipedia, Stanford University Press, pp. 14-15
> >>
> >> Dariusz Jemielniak writes:
> >> "According to Wikipedia Editors Study, published in 2011, 91 percent
of
> >> all Wikipedia editors are male ([reference to a study of 2011] This
figure
> >> may not be accurate, since it is based on a voluntary online survey
> >> advertised to 31,699 registered users and resulting on 5,073 complete
and
> >> valid responses [...] it is possible that male editors are more likely to
> >> respond than female editors. Similarly, a study of self-declarations of
> >> gender showing only 16 percent are female editors (Lam et al. 2011)
may be
> >> distorted, since more females may choose not to reveal their gender in
a
> >> community perceived as male dominated."
> >>
> >> additionally, asserting status and flaunting seniority (also described
> >> by Jemielniak at the end of the paragraph previous to the one quoted
above)
> >> is generally perceived to be a commonly employed trick to resist any
> >> changes;
> >>
> >> and, last but not least, one might argue that the group perceived as
> >> "in power" might feel to find strongly unbalanced outcomes most
rewarding,
> >> and hence might tend to publish them as widely as possible and not
least
> >> quote from them persistently, too...
> >>
> >> any rebuttals from stats experts here?
> >>
> >> best,
> >> Claudia
> >> koltzenburg@w4w.net
> >> My GPG-Key-ID: DDD21523
> >>
> >> ---------- Original Message -----------
> >> From:Jane Darnell <jane023@gmail.com>
> >> To:Research into Wikimedia content and communities <wiki-research-
> >> l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> >> Sent:Sat, 14 Feb 2015 10:49:29 +0100
> >> Subject:[Wiki-research-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers
> >>
> >> > Forwarding here in case anyone has information
> >> > that could benefit Yana
> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> > From: Jane Darnell <jane023@gmail.com>
> >> > Date: Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:44 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers
> >> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways
> >> > to increase the participation of women within
> >> > Wikimedia projects." < gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
> >> >
> >> > In 2013 the Dutch Wikimedia chapter hired an
> >> > external party to conduct a survey and the results
> >> > (translated to English) are here:
> >>
> >>
https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Motivaction_report_translation_v02.pd
> >> f
> >> >
> >> > The study was split into two parts; one on the
> >> > contributors and one on the "users", aka readers.
> >> > Users were 50/50 male female (page 51),
> >> >  contributors were 88% male, 6% female, and 6%
> >> > would not say (page 26)
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Yana Welinder
> >> > <yana@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi all,
> >> > >
> >> > > What are some good studies of the gender of Wikipedia readers?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > > Yana
> >> > >
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kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
i centrum badawczego CROW
Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl

członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk
członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW

Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010

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