Guten Tag zusammen,
Ich bin ein contributor der englischen Wikipedia.
Ich habe kuerzlich eine Reihe von zusammenhaengenden Themen auf der
wikiEN-l mailing list zur Sprache gebracht.
Man hat mir empfohlen, mich einerseits an die foundation-l zu wenden
und andererseits die Angelegenheit an den deutschen Verein (das waeret
ihr ;-) mitzuteilen.
Da ich ehrlich gesagt aber nicht den Nerv habe, jetzt den ganzen Kram
auch noch mal auf Deutsch abzufassen, hoffe ich jetzt mal ganz einfach,
dass die meisten hier ausreichend der englischen Sprache maechtig sind
:) und leite die betreffende email einfach weiter (s.u.).
Ich wuerde mich freuen, wenn Ihr den betreffenden Kram mal durchlesen
koenntet, so dass wir hier weitere Schritte besprechen koennen.
Im Falle von nachhaltigen Sprachschwierigkeiten bitte auf der Liste
melden -- wir koennen dann gegenseitig sicher aushelfen und ich kann im
Einzelfall auch die betreffenden Stellen erklaeren.
Vielleicht haben auch andere Untenstehendes bereits berichtet (s.u.).
-- Falls es schon Antworten oder Diskussionsbeitraege gab, so wuerde
ich mich freuen, wenn man diese noch mal an mich weiterleiten koennte.
-- Ich habe erst jetzt gerade diese mailing list abonniert.
Thanks and regards,
There are two types of IT techs: The ones who watch soap operas and the
ones who watch progress bars.
From: Jens Ropers <ropers(a)ropersonline.com>
Date: 11 August 2004 19:05:11 GMT+02:00
Subject: Re: domain donation, cybersquatter, our copyright
Hi, this is my first mail to this list, to which I've just subscribed.
I understand the below discussion has been moved here?
The discussion in question concerns various issues I
detail on a password-protected area of my website (as there were
problems w/ list members receiving the relevant HTML file containing
my writings). I would invite list members here to also read this page.
From a previous email I sent:
I have thus now posted my "little
paper" on my website, at:
capitalization matters on the URL, btw.
Note that Area 51 is restricted access only.
Please log on as follows:
user name: guest
The clear text password is of course only a modest precaution -- I
just don't want to give the rascal I'm exposing there easy
opportunity to sue me.
Please feel free to pass these account details on to other *trusted*
_Please, PLEASE DO have a look at it and read it!_
Please, let's start tackling these issues! If there is a better place
to take this, please tell me so! -- I am still fairly new and chances
are I'm just not aware of it.
I really do want these issues addressed!
In case people have commented on this issue already, I would be very
grateful to be forwarded copies of any relevant emails. I would not
have received them previously as I wasn't a list member till now.
In response to my email, Angela_ responded as follows:
On 11 Aug 2004, at 16:29, wikien-l-request(a)Wikipedia.org wrote:
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:59:25 +0100
From: Angela_ <beesley(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: domain donation, cybersquatter, our copyright
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
(moving thread from wikien-l to foundation-l. Please reply there)
Jens Ropers wrote:
1. I am seeking to donate the wikipaedia.net
domain name (which I
registered) to the Wikipedia Foundation.
Thank you for offering us this. My only concern is that confusion
could arise if we own wikipaedia.net
but not the other wikipaedia
domains. If we don't own any of them, it's more obvious that
wikipaedia is nothing to do with us.
True, but that confusion is already there. People /are/ accessing
wikipAEdia domains. I did. Also, as I observed in my wikipaedia.html
paper above, Dr. Schlabeck is actively furthering that confusion by
impersonating us and linking to us in a confusing (non-working) way.
(See Gripe #1, #3 and #4.)
We're not helping ourselves by avoiding the battle and "yielding
ground". We should claim and hold what ground is rightfully ours and
systematically pursue our claims on the domains Dr. Schlabeck
currently controls. (Sorry about the militaristic lingo. Couldn't
think of a clearer way to put it.)
I would also suggest that things get implemented as follows as far as
1. Make wikipaedia.net
/redirect/ to wikipedia.org
, so that users
will find themselves looking at the Wikipedia,
/with/ a wikipedia.org
URL in the address bar. (And let's /not/ put in
one of those silly 5-second-delay-to-redirect, "please change your
bookmarks" pages. Those are pretty friggin useless anyway.
2. Configure the DNS boxen in such a fashion that, say, a URL of
redirect to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Muffin
. This may be
slightly controversial in that there's the downside that such a
"forgiving" behaviour might encourage people to keep using the
URL. On the other hand, as long as it fully redirects to the correct
.org address, there shouldn't be much to worry about as people will
realize very quickly that our "main" URL is wikipedia.org
. And it's
not as if we had to fear loosing wikipaedia.net
I've also email Jimmy on this -- no reply yet -- because I wanted to
do the actual turning over of the domain directly to him, to avoid any
possible issues, say, with someone untrustworthy reading this list,
grabbing the domain and sodding off with it.
In the meantime, the suggested DNS changes could already be
I don't have a DNS server and I don't have the option to directly
enter a redirection URL with my domain name registrar (i.e. they're
not offering DNS services for this domain-name-only account). What I
can enter are DNS server addresses. So if the appropriate Wikipedia
admins (Jimmy?) were to include the appropriate records with their
name servers (possibly zwinger.wikipedia.org
I could then enter these server addresses into the wikipaedia.net
domain control panel and things should be working, even before the
actual domain ownership gets formally transferred to the WP
particularly bad serial cybersquatter is controlling
and wikipaedia.de. We really should
these domains off him (and would be able to do so).
I asked in the German IRC channel about this. Maybe I'm assuming too
much good faith, but I think we ought to approach that site owner in a
friendly way at first before we get too heavy handed. Sansculotte is
going to take this to the VereinDE-l mailing list and discuss it
there. Hopefully someone who speaks German can contact the site about
this. We might well get no reply, but at least we can say we tried
before taking this any further. It is worth noting that Akl was
successful in getting the wikipedia.ch and wikipedia.at domains back,
so perhaps this can be successful too.
True, it can't hurt to ask -- and it's The Right Thing™.
However, I still have my doubts, because Dr. Schlabeck is not only
cybersquatting on us but also impersonating us and infringing our
copyrights (see Gripe #1, #2, #3 and #4). To top things off, he seems
to be a truly "remarkable" serial cybersqatter (see Gripe #5). I think
what'll happen is this:
1. He'll claim ignorance on the content copyright infringement and
impersonation issues ("I thought it was free!").
2. He'll demand cash, and not only cash but extortionate sums for the
wikipaedia domains he currently controls.
But -- true enough -- it can't hurt to ask. It actually strengthens
As regards the VereinDE-l mailing list, well, actually, I happen to
speak German. So I'll join the VereinDE-l ML (any minute now...) and
see what can be done there. (I was actually hoping others to take over
the baton from me with these things, because I've already spent quite
a bit of time on this. ;-) Anyhoo, the wikipaedia.de and content
infringement issues are probably better dealt with by the German
Verein (because the domain and content in question are German).
I would still suggest tackling the wikipaedia.com
issues from our end, because these issues concern us more than our
German Verein. Plus, we don't even have to sue: It is /perfectly
sufficient/ to pursue our claims on these gTLD domains under the ICANN
UDRP! (And, IANAL, but the way I read the UDRP we're pretty much
/guaranteed/ to win there. The only semi-legitimate "claim" Dr.
Schlabeck could put to the domain is to say the -paedia bit stood for
Paediater (German for pediatrician) --- but he's a psychiatrist, not a
pediatrician!) Anyways, if needed I could translate agreed-upon
Schlabeck-addressed correspondence to German (if it's not too long.)
Besides, IMHO we needn't necessarily worry about a language barrier
from our end. -- It is quite reasonable to expect holders of gTLDs to
respond to related correspondence in English.
Thanks and regards,
There are two types of IT techs: The ones who watch soap operas and
the ones who watch progress bars.